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Re: WHEN WILL BE JESUS' SECOND COMING?
10/5/2007 4:56:10 PM

Hi Marisol and all,

 

Sorry I am just now responding to your post of 9/17.  I appreciate the Bible verses you quoted.  The TOPIC you chose was  “When will be Jesus’ Second Coming?”

 

1. We all agree that we do not know the day or the hour.  Marisol quoted  scriptures that admonish us to  “be alert, be on the watch, be on guard, be ready. 

2. Then I posted that to be ready, to be on guard, we have to KNOW THE TRUTH  to be able to LIVE THE TRUTH.  It appears that Marisol and  I are in agreement that the THE TRUTH that leads to eternal life  is only found in the BIble – John 14:6.  I recall Point 5 from my first post: “John 17:17:  There was Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, paganism, etc. etc. when GOD sent Jesus to earth. But Jesus taught the one TRUTH from the one Almighty God .  He  prayed to the Almighty GOD to 'sanctify, to set apart'  his followers by means of the TRUTH which would 'stand out' amongst the maze of religious teachings.Jesus spoke so often of the importance of knowing The Truth. (John 4:24;8:32, 8:44;14:6, 17:17; 19:37).  All these verses indicate to me that there must have been a lot of religious falsehoods flying around in his days on earth!  Even in the Old Testament there are many references to the value GOD places on The Truth (Isaiah 43:9, Jeremiah 10:10; Proverbs 23:23; Psalm 119:160; Psalm 43:3)

(As an aside, I am concerned that there are billions of people who do not accept the Holy Bible as the TRUTH FROM THE ALMIGHTY GOD, the Creator. Since He loved  the world so much that He sent His son here to teach the truth and to practice the truth  I have to trust Him that at Jesus’ Second Coming justice, love  and mercy will be applied to each and every human as there will be only 2 outcomes, salvation or eternal death. 2 Peter 3:9)

3.  So as I posted initially, What embodies THE TRUTH that Jesus represented and taught and lived?  Now, the Bible is a large book.   What are the components of the TRUTH contained in it? 

Acts 17:10,11 tells of how  the apostle Paul spoke of some people in the town of Berea as being more "noble" than those in Thessalonica,  because  they received the message about Christ with an open mind, and "searched the scriptures daily" to verify the message from Paul.

We likewise need to do a thorough investigation of any religious idea or teaching, get all the scriptures about it that I can, do research on the origin of the idea and then decide if we should  accept it as pure Biblical Truth.

Do we agree on the main points thus far?  What main religious idea or teaching should we first investigate?

Sincerely, Miriam ~~ www.fastincomemecca.com

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Re: WHEN WILL BE JESUS' SECOND COMING?
11/8/2007 12:00:24 AM
Congratulations Phil on your baptism! "Continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. Phillippians 2:12b. I can call you my brother now. Sorry for the late reply. God_bless you. Thomas. A little tool to use along your walk with Jesus Phil. Read Colossians 2:12 and Set your mind (thoughts) and set your heart (emotions) on things above.  Be open about your greatest struggles and discuss with other baptised disciples prctical ways to crucify these sins after reading Colossians 5:5-11. Study these Phil. Keep the faith!
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Re: WHEN WILL BE JESUS' SECOND COMING?
11/13/2007 1:04:00 PM

Hi everyone,

I am wondering why doesn't anyone want to accept my challenge and start investigation some of the basic religious tenets out there.  As I said, this is a wise thing to do because Jesus expects the true worshippers to worship in spirit AND in TRUTH! (John 4:24).

Why not take a little time and effort to do this?  Who wants to pick a mainstream basic teaching to see if it really originated with Jesus?

Sincerely,

Miriam

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Re: WHEN WILL BE JESUS' SECOND COMING?
11/13/2007 2:00:18 PM
Everyone to each of there own Miriam. Let me ask you something! What does Jesus want everybody to do?
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Re: WHEN WILL BE JESUS' SECOND COMING?
11/16/2007 4:56:49 PM
    Hello again Miriam

I wrote earlier to you, privately,  now I again see that few are answering you, on the question: What is the truth? In the Bible?
You also seemed to look for "any religious idea". I'll provide you with that, from outside, though I am really inside too. You know I am a Bahai  , now others will know. For Bahai Faith see www.Bahai.us or www.Bahai.us. This link below gives a fine presentation of the Bahai Faith too, with much of its dramatic history (film 2 and 4)     
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bahaullah+and+the+bahai+faith&search=Search
The first I want to say is that the truth is carried into our hearts on the wings of love. A Love that is felt in the mystery of our hearts. Without that love we are in the desert of waywardness and sorrow.
We feel that love flowing from God when we turn to Him in prayer with a longing heart. We can feel it when God adresses us like

in Hidden Words by Bahaullah, Founder of the Bahai Faith. We can read the blessed Words:

                               O SON OF BEING!

             Love Me that I may love thee. If thou lovest Me not, My love
             can in no wise reach thee. Know this O servant.

                               O SON OF BEING!

             Thy paradise is My love; thy heavenly home reunion with Me.
             Enter therein and tarry not. This is that which hath been destined                        for thee in Our Kingdom above and Our exalted dominion.


When love is in our hearts we are filled with a Force that makes it possible to willingly perform good deeds...it leads us to the true way of living. We don't think that we sacrifice anything, the Force helps us, even if we have lived a terrible life before.. We then follow the true path.
"The mystery of sacrifice is that it is no sacrifice."  Abdu'l-Bahá, son of Bahaullah.

The Force of love rules everything, this is in short the truth about the world of being. In man it manifests itself through the quickening  enlightenment of the Holy Spirit, making us mature, just as the rays of the sun quickens the little seeds hidden in the soil and make them grow.

The soil of the soul is ploghed and prepared by the Holy Bearers of the Holy Spirit , you being a Christian look at Jesus Christ as the Bearer of the Holy Spirit.The fruit or harvest is men and women with divine virtues. With the divine virtues well matured and nortured in us we can manage to live in Gods eternity of heavenly love, just as we are prepared in our mothers wombs growing legs and arms and head to manage hereabouts on earth. See the parallell?

In the mineral, love is manifested as the power of attraction, and by it the stones hold together, in the vegetables that same law of attraction is manifest, but also the power of reproduction. It holds the stars and the moons and other planets in their places, circling in planes. Everything is maintained by the power of attraction. And this is the most important Force, created by the Creator, whom We know as that Compassionate God, who wants us to learn to love.
Therefore He sends us Manifestations Who teaches us to love each other because He releases that Force of love to receptive hearts. When hearts grow cold and religion is being drawn to the ground, being mocked at, He sends a new Messenger, and it will never end. If you know love you know truth.

Love can also be said to be a state of mind. The true and aimed at state of mind. Because love makes us happy and then our minds wake up to be active and creative. We are able to develope and appreciate unity and harmony.

I have come to feel love, that mysterious love when I turned to Bahaullah. It was actually verse nr 1 above that gave spiritual life to my heart.  I didn't know that my heart could feel such a feeling,I got a sense of strength and an intense gladness. I didn't know i had a hidden corner inside me.Also I was illumined by the awareness  or realisation of the divinity of Christ. I had been an atheist all my life so I can claim that I have been raised from the dead.Been"resurrected."

 Love can be like honey, it can be a kind of elevating feeling, as if you float inside of yourself, still both feet on the ground. It can be a feeling of eternity being inside of me. It can also make me determined to pursue things, not letting myself feel my fatigue. It gives me patience and I can overlook how people are negligent in their behaviour. I do not burden myself unnecessarily with my shortcomings, I try to see a meaning in all that is both good and bad. Yes, this is it, the true feelings of  mystic love gives you meaning, eternally as well as here on earth.
Bahaullah declares: "No one knows the joy of the mystic". Without doubt this secret of the human inner heart, which is Gods place of revelation must be sought out by each one of us. This JOY. My words above are not enough, even though I have felt the Awakening through a great Illumination. We, as humans have the responsibility to search for truth independently, and when we feel the love of God  we do not ask for more. The truth takes its abode inside of you in a corner that is hidden to all but God. The truth is felt by the spirit that has been lit by the Holy Spirit.
Since God has created us we cannot light that inner light or fire ourselves. Now as well   as  about 2000 years ago this  was done through the Holy Spirit which Jesus was the Bearer of and Whom God sent to mankind..
Let us hear Bahaullah, the Manifestation of God for todays global era.

                                      O SON OF BEING!
                      My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and                                             radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient,                                       imperishable and everlasting.

                                      O SON OF SPIRIT!
                      The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn                                    not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not
                      that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with                                    thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and                                     shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the                                     knowledge of thy neighbour. Ponder this in thy heart;                                         how it behooveth thee to be. Verily, justice is My gift to                                     thee and the sign of My loving-kindness.

                                       O SON OF BEING!
                      With the hands of power I made thee and with the fingers of                               strength I created thee; and within thee have I placed the                                 essence of My light. Be thou content with it and seek naught else,                       for My work is perfect and My command is binding.
                      Question it not, nor have a doubt thereof.


                                      O SON OF BEING!
                      Thy heart is My home; sanctify it for My descent. Thy spirit is My                         place of revelation; cleanse it for My manifestation.


Ask me anything, I will try to answer whatever you wish and find out an answer.
The Bahai Faith is a vast source of wisdom and clarifications and very compassionate. It holds all other Faiths as true in their essence.
Good Luck
Laila Falck
PS For us Bahais, "hell" is to be separated from God, not to know God. And, like sunshine shuts out darkness, so the love from and to God  shuts out  sorrows and fears from our hearts. And worse things.
"Earth is but one country and mankind it's citizens" "The source of arts and crafts is the power of reflection" Bahá'u'lláh.1817-1892 Founder of the Bahái'Faith
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