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The Continuing Disaster of Chernobyl
4/26/2007 5:39:15 AM
First of all, I must thank Gerri Decher for her thread in support of Elena Filatova, an author who, as a young girl, lived not far from Chernobyl, when nuclear reactor, Chernobyl-4, blew up in 1986. Her story is a sad legacy of what can happen when humans think they have all the answers while forgetting that we all make mistakes and that some of them are disastrous. You can read about it at elenafilatova.com and Nuclear Flower I found viewing the pictures and reading the articles brought tears to my eyes. In the west, the stories of the disaster were downplayed considerably from reality and are still being downplayed today. Here are several quotes that stood out: "There are more than 2,000 dead towns and villages within a radius of 250 kms (155 miles) around Chernobyl reactor. Each year I travel and I see more and more ruined places." http://www.nuclearflower.com/spring2007.htm "Radiation will stay in the Chernobyl area for tens of thousand of years, but humans may begin repopulating the area in about 600 years - give or take three centuries. The experts predict that, by then, the most dangerous elements will have disappeared - or been sufficiently diluted into the rest of the world's air, soil and water. If our government can somehow find the money and political will to finance the necessary scientific research, perhaps a way will be discovered to neutralise or clean up the contamination sooner. Otherwise, our distant descendents will have to wait until the radiation diminishes to a tolerable level. If we use the lowest scientific estimate, that will be 300 years from now...some scientists say it may be as long as 900 years. I think it will be 300, but people often accuse me of being an optimist." http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/chapter2.html The centre of the disaster, the nuclear reactor at Chernobyl, was covered with a steel and concrete sarcophagus, and "experts" assured the world with it would last for hundreds of years, perhaps giving future generations time to either move the material or render it harmless. Recent studies, however, show that the sarcophagus is full of holes and leaking radiation into the air: "Recent studies find the Sarcophagus covering Reactor No. 4 to be full of holes. An engineering report stated that the stone coffin would collapse in an earthquake measuring 6 or more on the Richter scale. It is estimated that an earthquake of that magnitude should hit the Chernobyl region once every century. If this were to happen, it would release large clouds of radioactive dust that could once again blow around the earth." http://library.thinkquest.org/3426/data/chernobyl-today/sarcophagus.conditions.html In the 1990s, a joint multinational task force was organized to try to deal with the ongoing leaking and potential immediate disaster of the aging sarcophagus. "At the Vienna Chernobyl Conference in April 1996 Germany and France declared to support the international cooperation in view of a solution of the Chernobyl related issues. In 1998 the multinational Sarcophagus Project was launched in the frame of this initiative. The aim of the project was the collection, analysis, selection and verification of all safety relevant data concerning building constructions, systems and equipment, radiological situation, nuclear fuel, radioactive waste and environmental impact in a comprehensive data base. ArcView® GIS, ArcView® Spatial Analyst™ and ArcView® 3D Analyst™ serve as a navigation system to retrieve the information from the data base using different cross sections of the Sarcophagus." http://gis2.esri.com/library/userconf/proc02/pap0658/p0658.htm On February 18, 2005, Mosnews announced that the work had begun. It is interesting (and scary) to note that the new cover is designed only to last 100 years. The last one was supposed to last at least 30 years and didn't last twenty without leaking. So much radiation was leaking out at the site that it was reported that workers would only be able to work on the site for a few minutes at a time. On April 21, 2006, Mosnews reported the following: "A shelter over a reactor in Ukraine’s Chernobyl is crumbling, birds and rainwater are getting inside. Officials worry about what is getting out too. The “sarcophagus” over reactor No. 4, which blew up 20 years ago, is reaching the end of its lifespan. A multinational $1.1 billion project to build a new shelter — a giant steel arch designed to last 100 years — is still on the drawing board. Yulia Marusych, a spokesperson for the power station quoted by AP, said “the risks and the hazards posed by the reactor are still there.”" By late 2006, yet another source was optimistic that a contract to finish the new shelter would be signed by February, 2007. According to Ukrainian experts, the completion of the project, while reducing the risk somewhat, does not completely remove the threats. What is quite astonishing is the most recent report (today) in Mosnews on a study done by a "top British scientist" whose research was funded by Britain’s government-backed Natural Environment Research Council. The report claims that living in Chernobyl is less risky than passive smoking (second-hand smoke) or breathing the air in a modern city! This report flies in the face of all other information available (never mind plutonium, the fuel used in the reactor - do some research on americanium, the highly radioactive material that the plutonium decays into in far less time than you might think!) To call Chernobyl a safe place to live is to completely deny reality! (do I smell politics here? or perhaps big energy-sector money??) The fact is that there is a huge pile of radioactive material lying under a shelter that is sitting on top of Who Knows What (it's too dangerous to properly assess what the shelter is sitting on!) Many factors, including water seepage, soil stability and earthquakes make this a very dangerous place even now, and it will still be dangerous for many hundreds of years unless some way of rendering it harmless is discovered. Yes, nuclear power when it's working properly is a relatively clean source of electricity. Air pollution from a nuclear power plant is virtually non-existent. However, very dangerous waste IS produced and is a constant problem to dispose of safely (if, indeed, it can be disposed of safely!) Furthermore, if nothing else, Chernobyl has shown us the tragedy, both past and present, of what happens when you mix even the possibility of human error with something that can cause such immediate and ongoing disaster. Before we blindly ignore the dangers of nuclear power, we need to be informed! There ARE other far more environmentally friendly ways of generating electricity. The problem may only be that they are far costlier to build, less profitable, and may cost the end consumer a little more. Maybe. But I would rather sit in the dark a few minutes longer every day if I knew that my children and grandchildren weren't going to sit in the snow of a nuclear winter. God bless, Dave
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Re: The Continuing Disaster of Chernobyl
4/26/2007 9:47:54 AM
Dave,

It all boils down to those we trust in government to tell us the truth, being untrustworthy.

Right here in the United States our government told the rescue workers and laborers at 9/11's ground zero that the air was safe to breath in the days after 9/11. Now those workers are dying. They were lied to by our government for their own purposes. I have a video about this at the bottom of my about me page. Watch it if you dare.
I wish these were all conspiracy theories. For these folks as they die off, it is fact.

Will Rogers may have been right when he joked that "we have the best congress that money can buy."

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Re: The Continuing Disaster of Chernobyl
4/26/2007 11:28:59 AM

Hi Dave,

whilst not decrying your concerns in any way - nor the tragedy of Chernobyl, but I was in Kiev not long after the disaster, and it was generally admitted that the problem had not been in the system but in a) the training and knowledge of the operators (a typical Russian problem at the time), which led to a lack of ability to close the reactor down, when there was a perceived problem.

Here in France we have some 80% of our electrical supply from nuclear power, and have done so for many years now. and of course there is always a chance that something could go wrong. However - just how many people have died over the years, and are still dying in digging out coal - see China?  How many have died in oilfields or on oilrigs?

No matter what we do there will always be risks involved, and we can only be alert to those risks and act accordingly.   Denying the use of new technology through fear I feel is not the way forward. If we do then we will just continue to fell trees for heating and cooking - and what effect will that have on the planet?

Do we really believe that those in poverty living without the benefit of modern technology are really better of than those of using it?  If so, then the activities of charities are really a waste of time aren't they?

I am old enough to recall the disaster of Aberfan in Wales when a slag heap shifted and buried a village school, causing the death of more than a hundred children - again a problem of education of those creating the slagheap.

People will make mistakes, knowledge in any field is never 100% - so should we turn our backs on development and progress trusting in some folkloric belief that 'things were better in the old days'?   I think not.

Y'know here (again) in France, we have just celebrated the 25th Anniversary of the TGV - high speed trains.  Now they can travel at the same speed as the average passenger jet - i.e about 500kmh.  Many people said the same thing about the dangers of such travel - yet in all that time not ONE life has been lost on the TGV - compare that with the track record of so-called normal trains (pun unintentional).   Ditto with Qantas Airlines - not one passenger fatality in more than 80 years.   What does this tell us?  That proper training, properly maintained equipment will minimise disasters - note I do not say eliminate disasters.

Rather than deny progress, we should just ensure that it is as safe as possible.

Cheers,

Norm

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Re: The Continuing Disaster of Chernobyl
4/26/2007 1:21:29 PM

Dave

Great stuff- I have the kids of Speed link on my party page at club yeah...

Also - have a link there that shows the seismic activity around the globe - almost as it happens - interesting to check it now and then....

Another topic I find of interest is "The Deliberate Dumbing of America". It is an account of how the school system has been modified to deliberately turn out "laborers" ... by deliberately teaching us less than we are capable of knowing.... I'm inclined to see a lot of truth in that...

Wizards of money - another GREAT link worth checking - I talk about it in one of my forum threads....

The topics ALL point to the truth of our friend Darrel Van Kirk  (above)  said "we trust the untrustworthy".

We are taught in the schools and churches to do just that! Mind control - just think - just a few years ago there were close to 3000 people owning the major media in North America - there is less than 300 people now in control...... Just who is REALLY telling the truth these days is hard to tell.

The links I mentiond are found on my Party Page (blog)

http://party.clubyeah.com/doverblue

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Re: The Continuing Disaster of Chernobyl
4/26/2007 3:10:13 PM
Hi Dave, First, thank you for the invite to your forum and for the information you have provided. I agree with you it was, and is, a very terrible disaster. One people will be suffering from for many years to come. Yet I have to disagree with you as I do not think it was "down played" in the west** at all. There was a LOT of coverage on it at the time and there have been various news stories on it ever since. **(at least NOT in the U.S.) And, On the cable channels they have specials on it from time to time. While I am certainly no lover of our main stream media as I HATE the way they do not report the good thinks in our war on terror at all or they under report them, while they OVER report the bad things, I do not support the idea they "down played" the Chernobyl disaster. Next, as much as I dislike the French government and more than a few of the French, the FACTS ARE that they have been getting (I think) EIGHTY percent of their power from Nuclear and have been for around forty years. Plus, there are OVER 100 nuclear plants operating in the U.S. and they have been for MANY years. THE FACTS ARE, WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH INFORMATION TO OPERATED THEM SAFELY! TO PUT IT BLUNTLY, IT IS IRRATIONAL, ILLOGICAL AND UNINTELLIGENT TO NOT BULID AND USE MANY MORE OF THEM! PERIOD! END OF STORY! Please, Take Care! Neil
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