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Re: How to Survive, Thrive and Profit Online
2/24/2006 12:13:25 PM
Hey Jack and everyone! Jack, I wasn't here perhaps for your first stab at Adland, but from your posting I can see you've learned a lot about this "journey", and you have lots to offer people. Thanks for participating in this forum, and for offering your experience! I look forward to seeing more of your posts in the future. Sincerely,
Tim Southernwood/Get eH² Packs!/BlogNet Awards We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then is not an act but a habit - Aristotle
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Re: How to Survive, Thrive and Profit Online
2/25/2006 7:48:58 PM
Tim, I got here late, as usual. Guess you'll have to start referring to me as 'the late Cheri Merz', lol. One advantage is that you can read everything others have written and see how the conversation has developed. First thing I have to do is disagree with Caspar about what we were doing with computers in the early '90s. I started using computers in the early 80's-the bad old DOS days-and by the 90's I was using mine for all kinds of office work, from word processing and spread sheets to database management and what we now know as PowerPoint. In those days, the internet wasn't for commerce, you had to use all kinds of awkward unix commands, telnet, etc. and you had to have some government or science reason to be here. Imagine my surprise when I encountered it again after Windows, the WorldWideWeb and ecommerce got going! Wow, a whole new world. I view it as the greatest communication tool ever. In my opinion, though, most of what's going around as a way to earn a living with it is pure garbage, sorry. The author's points 1-6 are right on the mark IF you don't interpret them to mean that the latest, greatest replicated website is going to be your salvation. To his points, I would add, use your own creativity and passion for a subject to build a real business. Signing up for a program and then sitting back and waiting to make tons of money is a sure way to get discouraged. Use your brain a little! (Not your brain specifically, Tim--I know you're not the audience I'm speaking to.) Stop and analyze your business model, here. How in the world do you expect people to find your speck of land in the internet universe? And don't fall for all that SEO drivel, either. Virtually every trick that any clever internet marketer has figured out and then written a book about has been long gone by the time you get a chance to buy the ebook. Save your money. I'm not saying you can't make a living on the internet, though by the percentage of people on Adland who are posting that they are broke and/or discouraged, I'd say most of this community isn't. But the internet isn't the magic panacea that people have been hyped to believe it is. It is a communication tool, nothing more, nothing less. If you don't learn to use it properly, it won't help you. If your business wouldn't be viable without the internet, chances are it won't be with it, either. Wake up and smell the coffee! Everyone who starts an offlne business expects to invest in education, the tools of their industry, perhaps inventory and a physical location. Most people who start an online business expect to do so for free or very little. Does this make any sense at all? Not to me, at least not now. There was once a time when I thought there was a magic money-making machine in my office, but I'm here to tell you, it isn't magic, it's work. And before work it's education. Like Caspar said, success leaves clues. Study the clues, but don't believe everything you read--especially when it's the author tooting his own horn. There is a genuine internet marketing and web design expert right here in Adland, giving away her knowledge on a daily basis. It's too bad that people only want to hear what they want to hear, because if you listen to her she will tell it like it is, and you will learn to make a profit on the internet. Tim, with your permission I'll post who she is, but I don't want to lead people away from your forum without your consent, so let me know. Thank you for a very thought-provoking article. I'll take my soapbox and go home, now, lol. Cheri
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Re: How to Survive, Thrive and Profit Online
2/25/2006 8:17:35 PM
Cheri my Dear Friend. I am not so insecure so as to deprive the readers of this forum valuable information such as you could suggest. I totally encourage you to post "her" name and link in this forum, heck I could probably benefit myself from her information and experience ;-)(html is not one of my stronger points though I do know a few things..lol) I have to also agree with you inregards to the "garbage" statement. There is a ton of it (and imagine that being little strips of paper with the urls printed on them...a TON) The saddest thing is so many people are buying it up in the hope/dream of finding that "pot of gold". Signing up and waiting for those riches is a sure way to the poor house in my opinion. Actually I can (and everyone else should too) take your advice to use my (our) brains when getting into business. I am planning to write an article on this very topic as soon as I can. It's important for people to understand. Regards to all,
Tim Southernwood/Get eH² Packs!/BlogNet Awards We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then is not an act but a habit - Aristotle
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Re: How to Survive, Thrive and Profit Online
2/25/2006 9:13:45 PM
Cheri and Tim, Thanks for the information. I am eager to learn more about this new business I am trying out..internet marketing. Any helpful forums would be appreciated. So far I have been doing it on my own. It is refreshing to get impressions from more experienced internet members of this community. DonnaZ
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Cheri Merz

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Re: How to Survive, Thrive and Profit Online
2/25/2006 9:18:08 PM
Hi, Tim. Never did it cross my mind that you would be insecure! To me, it's just a matter of courtesy. The name of our expert is Linda Caroll. She is a member of the Advisory Panel, and her forum is here: http://community.adlandpro.com/forumShow.aspx?ForumID=7702. Her posts are very interesting, and very sensible, and I can attest to her expertise, because I am a member of her test group for a new course she is developing for people like us. I've learned more in the first two lessons than in all the internet marketing ebooks I've ever read. Linda has 25 years of experience, starting with marketing and picking up with web design many years ago. Her signature leads to her web site, where you can learn even more. Another marketing expert is Kathleen Gage, who is another Adland member. Her main expertise is marketing, and she's now expanding into the web. I've met her in person at lectures she gives locally. They are sponsored by local government agencies for small business development, so I can also attest to her credentials. My recommendation is to listen to people who a) have already achieved success with this tool, and b) will interact personally with you. That personal connection will soon give you a sense of a person's credibility factor. Spend enough time with them to pick up on some clues. How many times have you seen someone say, 'this program is making me tons of money' in one post, and then in another forum they say 'thanks for the info but money's a little tight right now'. Something's not congruent there. Why follow that person? They're lost, too! You write that article, Tim, and I'll send as many people as I can to read it. Maybe a few voices crying in the wilderness can be heard a little better than just one. Cheri
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