Neil, You certainly like lengthy posts. There is a lot of what you say makes sense, just as there is a lot of what other people say makes sense. It doesn't matter to me that you are Atheists and it doesn't matter to me that John, Douglas, Bogdan or whoever is Christian. Or that they believe in any religion for that matter. I'm failing to understand why the negative tone of your words are always directed at Christians. I suppose it's because as you mentioned, there is an overwhelming majority of members in this community that are open in their belief in Christianity. But if one believes in at least one god and I know some people who believe in many gods, why should they be a target for Atheists. I mean, just because Atheists do not believe or perhaps deny an existance of any gods, that doesn't conclude as fact that a god or many gods many be in existance. A question that came to me when reading your well referenced posts, why do you appear to be hung-up on the reasoning used by perpetrators to justify an act that is wrong? The act is wrong, it's wrong. No need to place blame. In your previous post you said... So I make the comments I do to let the Christians know they do not run the US, and that when they say things which are not true, they will be challenged. It appears to me, that the leader of your country with his administrative powers and belief in the Born Again Christian movement, does run US. Bogdan, I didn't mean to clutter your forum but then I was just expressing some thoughts that came to mind from reading your forum. Jack

Jack, I should have said that Christians do NOT OWN the United States as far too many of them think they do. No reason to place the blame for wrong doing? WHAT A TOTALLY STUPID COMMENT THAT IS! I will bet you place the blame of 9-11 on Moslem fanatics! I will bet you blame WWII in Europe on Hitler. I place the blame where it belongs. You do not like it, TOUGH! THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE TELLS IT'S BELIEVERS TO KILL 28 TIMES I KNOW OF! TO KILL 28 TIMES! Gee, why should I have a negative tone toward a group (Christians) who consistantly tries to FORCE others to live by their rules? Well DUH, because that is WRONG! Why should I have a negative tone toward a group (Christians) of people who through out history have attempted to stiffel scientific progress? Well, DUH, because that is WORNG! And over the years, they have been PROVEN WRONG TIME after TIME after TIME! IS the earth the CENTER of the Universe? NO! Is the Earth FLAT? NO! Does the Sun go around the earth? NO! Is NOT helping crazy people because that is the way god punishes bad people right? NO! Or people with terrible diseases? NO! Well, the Christian religion said to NOT help them. Is not using Ligthing Rods because god uses ligtening to punishes bad people right? NO! Is stopping the study of the human body to help fight diseases & reparing injuries right? NO! And I could go on and on and on listing things the Christian Church said was wrong which were not. Who CAUSED the DARK AGES? Why it was the Christian Church! AND THEY ARE STILL DOING IT TODAY! These IDIOTS say Evolution is not both a fact and a theory WHEN IT IS BOTH! These IDIOTS say people who are Homosexuals are not BORN THAT WAY WHEN THEY ARE! Just as ARE MANY Animals, Mammals and Birds who are BORN HOMOSEXUAL! These IDIOTS say we should not use stem cells to help people walk again and to cure MANY other problems and THEY ARE WRONG AGAIN! These IDIOTS are trying to take over ALL American Schools so they can push their WRONG view of how the world is on ALL others! Why should I have a negative tone toward a group of people (Christians) who have harrassed, persecuted, beat, tortured and killed people like me for 2,000 years? Well, if you do not know, you are brain dead!

Hi Neil, I'll keep this short and make it my last post in this thread. Perhaps I'll venture to your forum domain once I put another layer of skin on so I'm not to sensitive to your fiery rhetoric style. WHAT A TOTALLY STUPID COMMENT THAT IS! Yeah, your right. I presented a less informed opinion in seeking more information and I was not surprised with your response. Hmmm, maybe your predictable and/or I'm getting to understand you a little better. Oh, by the way. All that, I bet you ...blah, blah, blah is wrong, you lose that bet but I understand that one cannot be correct all the time. :-) Jack

Well Jack, It was, and is, a stupid comment! Too bad it seems you are incapable, or too clueless, to recognize it. I suppose we should not place blame on this Christian TERRORIST either? In late 2001, anti-abortion fanatic Clayton Waagner used packets of bogus anthrax to shut down scores of clinics nation- wide. When he was convicted last week, the press was notably absent. By Frederick Clarkson Dec. 10, 2003 Only a couple of years ago, Clayton Waagner was one of three extreme-right American terrorists on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list, a self-styled avenging angel of the unborn. In the autumn of 2001, at the apex of national fear about terrorist strikes & deadly anthrax attacks, he mailed hundreds of envelopes stuffed with white powder & threatening letters to abortion clinics and reproductive rights organizations. All in the name of the anti-abortion Army of God. Doctors, staffers, clients and their families were terrified, and hundreds of clinics were shut down. It made Clayton Waagner a celebrity, of sorts, and to some, a hero. Waagner lost his spot atop the 10 Most Wanted lists when an anti-abortion ally ratted him out. Last week, in a federal courtroom in Philadelphia, he was convicted of threatening the use of weapons of mass destruction and other federal charges, more than 50 counts in all. The two-week trial was remarkable not so much for it's verdict as for the near-complete lack of media attention that it attracted. Though he now faces a possible sentence of life in prison, Waagner went down without a word of regret or remorse. ------------------ And last Jack, I could care LESS what you think of me.

Hello Neil, First I would like to ask you to take this to another forum preferably yours because you are being this disrespectful to Bogdan. Bogdan told you that “…this forum's purpose is to bring spark to everybody's life by providing motivation, inspiration and words which build our strengths…”, but you ignored his requested. You continue to insult Christians with comments like you’re ignorant, stupid, and so on. You also have the gall to say that we’re shoving religion down your throat when all we are doing is stating that we love Christ and that our faith is what gives us joy but you on the other hand are saying that we’re stupid and ignorant if we don’t believe the way you do. Who is doing the shoving? I asked you to read the books I referred to because they have quotes by Scientists who state that there’s more proof that the universe was intelligently designed than there is that it all came about by chance. There’s more proof for belief intelligent design than there is for belief in evolution. Scientist will never find the missing link because what is missing is the chain; there aren’t even two connected links. But like I said we need to move this debate to your forum or mine because we’re disrespecting Bogdan by continuing this debate here. I’ll even give you contradicting quotes from those wishy washy founding fathers that you are so fond of quoting if you accept my challenge. So what do you say Neil? John Blogs Gdw Amb Frm POTW Nomination’s Forum Vote For AdlandPro’s Person Of The Year!