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Amanda Martin-Shaver

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RE: Do TV companies have any responsibilities to regular viewers?
9/13/2010 9:52:27 PM
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Hi Bogdan,

Is this the same David Icke who thought he was the son of God? If my memory is correct he used to be on the TV and then disapeared after he was ridiculed and called a silly person or words to that effect over his religious spoutings.

So I personally wouldn't believe anything that he says!

Best Wishes John.




Hi John,
Be as it may - whether this David Icke was someone who thought he was the Son of God, which he is if he is a believer..

No matter whom has done a public video like this one, it still holds a lot of information for one to think about before you should dismiss it out of hand as works of a religious crack pot.

I reckon one should take into consideration the information, and think about what we are actually seeing, hearing with our own eyes and ears and really wonder if there could be more truth than meets the eye. After all the ones behind the forced catastrophes are doing their best to shift blame onto someone else so they can reap the rewards of their treachery

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RE: Do TV companies have any responsibilities to regular viewers?
9/13/2010 10:09:32 PM
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Hi Bogdan,

Is this the same David Icke who thought he was the son of God? If my memory is correct he used to be on the TV and then disapeared after he was ridiculed and called a silly person or words to that effect over his religious spoutings.

So I personally wouldn't believe anything that he says!

Best Wishes John.

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Judy and John,

I have been following what David Icke had to say over last several years.
I don't know if he claimed to be a God. I highly doubt it if he meant what common understanding of God is.

If he did, his mistake was not to ask first what is the definition of God.
If God to the presenter was and old man with the beard who punishes people when they are not behaving well and rewarding them when they are correct, his answer would be no. If God would be collection of souls of intelligent life throughout the galaxies and universe his answers would be yes. This is what I belive David Ikes meant by being God. If you believe you have a soul, than you are part of God.
For example if you are particle of water in the lake, how many of waters are you?
You are just water, no matter how little of the water you are.


I'm sure that illuminates of UK would want to ridicule him. This is the price today people pay for exposing the truth. Unfortunately population at large buys what MSM serves them as the only source of information they use is MSM.

If you care to know what he himself has to say, here is an interview by Project Camelot.



Project Camelot has lots of interviews with other people who have been mysteriously killed in accidents or died from mysterious illness later or have been ridiculed to the point that they had lost jobs and never accepted again to work in the industries they used to work.

David Icke is one of them.
Ironically David Icke is highly respected in any circle which deals with truth, exposing dark ones conspiracies and today's mind revolutions.

One of such outlets is Alex Jones from http://www.infowars.com

Here is one of many interviews with David.
One of the strongest voices of alternate media today in America and eye opener for those who want their eyes to be opened. The station has over 1 million viewers.

The other one is Coast to coast and the project Avalon.

If you are not using this sources, they might be a real eye opener to you.

Here below you have the time when he was ridiculed as being God and then 15 years later interviewed by the same presenter with sorry message as predictions David made came to fruition. This was even before current crisis.



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RE: Do TV companies have any responsibilities to regular viewers?
9/14/2010 4:11:59 PM
Hi Bogdan,

I watched and listened to the two video's over the course of the day. The first one being 2 hours long!

I kind of understood and agreed over many points David spoke about, however I did not always agree with some of his obscure, vague wording, for want of a better name.. (then again I am a very plain outspoken speaker and say what I think and don't always 'water words down' to make them sound nicer)

I like my T's crossed and my I's dotted so I would come out and say, the secrecies, underhanded, forced catasphroes, tretchery, mass manipulation, intimidation and domination, entrapment, extortion, scams etc etc all that and more, which are the tools Satan uses. We are not fighting against flesh and blood (people) but principalities (demons whom angels are fighting on our behalf) in high places (out of our human sight and realm)

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Most of us are not familiar with the exact agenda which the dark ones are having for the masses, this is why we help the establishment by supplying them with our talents and abilities for the sake of our own. When you run your own business, your goal is to satisfy the arithmetic and make at least as much as you spend. When you are producing goods or services, you not always analyze how this will serve the humanity as a whole. You concentrate on your own calculations. I'm not even saying of compromising our own integrity. I'm just saying about regular commonly accepted behavior.

Here is very clear example. When you are investing in war industry. Are you thinking of actually supporting the dark ones. Probably not. You are just called investor, yet, war doesn't serve anyone but the establishment. In this case you are directly helping the establishment.

When you buy real estate investment. Do you think that you are increasing prices for real estate and make it less affordable for those who are just starting or those who have less.

Probably not. Yet this is exactly what happens.

Both war and credit business are run by the same group of people and the same group of people profits from entertainment.

Would they be able to profit from entertainment if they were making movies and programs about good actions, positive behavior and enlightened knowledge?

Not really. Entire entertiment industry is in hands of few agences which act under different names in different countries.

So I agree with you that the problem is very complex, but you need to see a big picture and the big picture is that those who profit the most, are not interested in stopping the wars, they are not interested in everybody to by highly educated and they are not interested that you can see what their methods are.

The same group of people who brought Hitler to power, is today running, media, farmaceutical industry, war industry and finances. (Remember that it was the same sectors who assisted Hitler in obtaining power and later in executing it and this sector is located in New York called Wall Street and some in London.)

The TV is part of the mass misinformation and mass manipulation. In UK and US there are the most sophisticated elements of it which then are used throughout the world.

The colonial UK has ended only in the old understanding of it. The disguised one still exists and is present in each home in fight for our minds and it is called colonialism of minds.

This is not critique, this is just big picture view and it doesn't matter if you believe in it or not, but if yo believe in it, you can do what Gandhi did, just think for yourself and don't make yourself dependent on the establishment.

You can't fix entertainment and news industry as it is owned by the darkest element of humanity, but you can stop accepting what this element is serving you and this is how you can defeat it. The vampire needs blood to drink and to be alive, once the host is not available, the vampire must die.

Bogdan Fiedur


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This is tactic of establishment. They want to keep society attuned into the low of the lowest as only such society can be controlled and manipulated. Enlightened society is a trouble as it questions and creates doubts and understands manipulation.
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Bogdan,

Thank you for your comments.

I wish that I knew that you were wrong. I don't, however I cannot believe that it's quite that simple.

I try very hard not to be one of the sheep. I try very hard to resist excesses and being taken for a fool, however, I probably am sometimes. The truth is unfortunately that most people are too lazy to bother thinking about what they are asking for in entertainment and too lazy to consider political issues until it is too late.

So many people don't get involved in really important issues until they have to. This leaves the door wide open to those who have suspicious and malicious aims. I cannot believe that all of the writers of these programmes are involved in a plot. I think they supply what gets the biggest viewing figures.

I can believe that there are those who control the choice of programmes that might have different reasons and that is worrying.

Education has to be the answer but who is able to supply the best curriculum?

I find it very hard to say more.

I have huge respect for those like you Bogdan, who want to see a better world and I understand much of what you believe, however, I find it difficult to know where to draw a line between reality and then conspiracy theories.


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I think it is high time for the government and social engineers (Eugenicists) to get out my business. Do their job they were elected to do. Roger, censorship never helped the free man, it seeks to control him and his views on everything. Do not be lulled into sheeple-hood.

Take responsibility and quit allowing the State, the Czars, the wannabe dictators control the future of this world. Free markets, Free thinkers and the true visionary believe that PERSONAL Responsibility and adherence to the covenants of mankind, that we all have hard-coded into our being by the creator.

Many speak of listening to your little voice, some call it heart, others call it a consciousness to guide your actions, toward yourself and others.

Governments role in society is to protect mankind's Creator bestowed rights.


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I brought your comments back over here because I reckon they need to be given another airing that even though we have used different words, different ways of expressing ourselves, we all seem to be fairly much on the same page and understanding that our countries are going downhill and there is deception all around and as everyone has TV in their homes the media has been a huge implement to get their evil into our homes.

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RE: Do TV companies have any responsibilities to regular viewers?
9/14/2010 8:32:30 PM
Who or what is MSM Bogdon? Most thinking people in UK regard London's Financial Times or New York Times as the most reliable sources of information. I have never heard of MSM

Hello Judy,

Sorry for using cryptic language. MSM stands for Main Stream Media.
Financial Times and New York Times both are part of MSM, definitelly NY Times is the one. On this side of the Atlantic New York Times is considered (at least in my world) as the illuminates and White House propaganda outlet.

When I refer to MSM I don't mean there is nothing useful in it. I mean it is one sided and it is manipulated by the money cartels. The larger the outlet the more it is in hands of manipulators as all the advertising is being paid by those who profit the most from keeping the world in fear, concentrating on sex and low level entertainment, gossip, consumerism and greed.
To balance the MSM, you need to review alternate resources which I have pointed previously.

Additional ones are Russia Today, Democracy Now, Max Keiser Report (he really hates Tony Blair) and of course Infowars and prisonplanet (shadow of the previous one)

Russia Today is a Russian sponsored Tv station, but due to the fact that it wants to expose what America and Western world does, it provide lots of useful information about corruption and manipulation. It is like Radio Free Europe during the time I lived in communist Poland, it just shows the other side of the story :)

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RE: Do TV companies have any responsibilities to regular viewers?
9/14/2010 9:20:02 PM

Thank you to everyone. I am so pleased to have sparked such a good discussion. We may not all agree but discussion is the only way to uncover or reveal truths.

I am sure most of us have similar thoughts as to the negative output coming from the state and the media. I think that the differences are that we view differently whether we should be part of this but able to resist through knowledge or whether we choose to be on the outside and dealing with it from there.

I have huge respect for all of the views here. All of the time that we can remain polite and learn we are the winners. When we stop listening to those who disagree we loose our scale of values.

Roger

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