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Michael 9348 2248 Indian...	RE: IS THE NEW AGE REALLY COMING? 1/4/2012 4:37:56 AM
	Hi Myrna, I agree with you. There are times that it is very difficult to forgive a person for inflicting physical or mental harm to you. However, as long as you harbor hatred for that person, you are not able to get on with a normal life. Also, somewhere along the way, you may unknowingly inflict pain on another, and you will then hope that that person can forgive you for your transgression. Until you are able to forgive, you cannot expect to be forgiven. Quite awhile ago, Shirley was in a lot of pain. There was nothing that I could to help relieve that pain and I became angry. She continued to pray and one day I was not able to control my emotions any more. I was mad. I was mad at GOD. I finally let my emotions out and told her that she was wasting her time praying to GOD. "He is not listening to you." She took a deep breath and asked, "Am I better than his son?" I was stunned by that question, but she continued. "Yes, I am in a lot of pain, but I'm taking medication. When I cry there is no one to hear me but you. In time, with the help of proper treatment and medications my pains will lessen, but Jesus was not alone when he was nailed to the Cross. There were many people there to watch him die. They laughed, they tore his clothes, they mocked him and they spit on him. He was Humiliated but do you remember what his last words were before he died? He said, Forgive them GOD for they know not what they do." I cried. With all of the pain that she was suffering Shirley was much stronger then I will ever be. A couple of days later she walked over to me, a big smile on her face and kissed me. I wanted to hug her, but I was afraid that I would hurt her. She said that it was alright because the pain was gone. She said that it was not gone forever but she would enjoy it while she could. We had a long talk that day and she educated me tremendously. She said that we would all have to go through periods of pain and suffering and sometime even death, but that was a small price to pay for the pains and suffering and the humilities that the son of our Saviour has to suffer for an eternity. None of us can go through life without paying our way one way or the other, but we all must remember to forgive those that do us harm because if we no not learn how to forgive, we cannot be forgiven. Ever since that day, I have done the very best that I can possibly do to keep my emotions in check and if I slip I do my best to apologize. The most difficult thing in the world to do is to forgive, but I do my best each and every day. GOD BLESS YOU ~Mike~ http://www.countryvalues65.com
	Michael J. Caron (Mike) TRUTH IN ADVERTISING!! Friends First. Business Later.
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Mary Evelyn 23244 5352 Strawb...	RE: IS THE NEW AGE REALLY COMING? 1/4/2012 6:02:54 PM
	Hello Mike and Miguel, I must say I agree with a lot of what you say. I came here to adland almost 6 years ago on April 12, 2006 and though I can't remember the date, Shirley told me about this horrific crime against her and she was only 18 at the time. I've often thought about this and wondered how much this horrible experience effected her life over the years. It would have had to have an effect and my heart goes out to her and what she had to endure. I also think that no deed goes unpunished and I'm sure it was true with these men who violated her but we have no way of knowing but I have no doubt that somewhere down life's path they paid for what they did. Who knows, the same thing may have happened to someone they loved. I truly believe they did not escape God's wrath for this unprovoked attack. Quote: Quote: Hi Luis, It is sad when it takes the death of one innocent person to make changes for the good. There are people in many countries that would like to see changes for good, but no one is willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. There are so many stories just like this one, where those in power abuse their authority. Here is an example. A woman in Ohio called the police after she was assaulted by her cousin. Shortly after Shirley moved to Indianapolis to live with me, she told me a story that was shocking, because I did not believe that things like this could happen. She was living at home with her parents until she was twenty-one. Her father passed away in his bed and it became too much for her mother to handle. Eventually, her mother was placed in a hospital for her own protection and Shirley had to find an apartment for herself. Shirley had always trusted people, but was not used to living on her own. She basically stayed to herself, not having many friends and one night there was a knock on the door. She had cashed a check at the bank earlier that day and perhaps was counting the money as she walked back to her apartment. Without thinking she opened the door, not looking to see who it was first. Three big teenagers pushed the door open and knocked her down. One of them pushed her into the bedroom and forced her down on the bed, while the other two went through her pocketbook taking all the money that she had. They also had their way with her. The Landlord heard the screaming and called the police. As the police cars approached with the sirens blasting, the three teenagers climbed out the window. When the two police officers arrived, with tear soaked eyes, Shirley began to tell them what had happened. Then, she began to cry even more because through her tears she could see that one of the officers was undoing his belt. Instead of being saved, Shirley was assaulted (raped), by those who had come to save her. When they finished, they laughed, said, "Have a good night." and left. Shirley crawled out of her bed and went to her living room window just in time to see the police officers under a street light with the three teenagers. What she saw next shocked her even more. The teenagers gave them some of the money that they had stolen. I asked her if she reported it, and said that she was going to but she did not have a phone. The following morning she went to her church and told her priest about it, asking if he could go to the police station with her. She described all five assailants to him. They were all parishoners of his church. He shhok his head and said, "No child. Do not report it. We will take up an extra collection this Sunday for you." She could not believe her ears. She had gone to him for help. As she got up to leave, the priest made her go to the alter and say pentence for her sins. She went to the police anyway and when the desk sargeant read her report along with the names of the two police officers, he sighed, crumpled up the paper and tossed it in the trash. He than gave her a menacing look and said, "That will be all. I have filed your report. You can leave now." This was in 1969, when you did not have the right to report things like that. The Law was the authority and you did not cross their line. She has never forgotten that incident, and I don't imagine she ever will. I often wonder why those from other parts of the Galaxy would even want to save a race like ours. GOD BLESS YOU ~Mike~ http://www.countryvalues65.com Hello Mike, So sorry to learn especially about Shirley's atrocious experience. I don't believe what some chanellers say about people who agreed before they were born to "play" the bad guys' role at this time here. I also don't believe those that say God forgives us all even our most atrocious sins, provided that we are repentant and ask him to forgive us; and that all we have to do then is move forward. I believe what Jesus says, "As you sow so shall you reap." Call it karma or the Law of Talion, there is no escaping it. There are certain wrongdoings that only after you have paid for them can be left behind. Such as you have told me about, especially those committed by the authorities themselves, are the worst kind among them and woe to those people who committed them. Ask Moses, David and so many other great souls who for all their greatness had to pay because they harmed others. I have always thought that any wrongdoings however small must be paid out, especially when done against others. I did many of these when I was a young and uncaring guy and I am paying for them even now. What can then be said of those monsters of cruelty as you describe? You better pay now in this life than in any future ones. I also believe things have gone way too far in our time to be left unpunished. We also cannot be expected to do justice on our own, we tend to punish the weak and forgive the powerful. Also, we should not avenge the wrongs done on us on our own, we would be setting the wheel of karma again in motion. I believe we need God to descend again to this valley of sorrow in order to make things right. The Book of Revelation tells about Christ in all his Glory setting apart the evil guys and sending them to Hell to pay for their sins, after which a new Millennium is established. And the Hindu Scriptures tell about the Kalki avatar who is to appear at the end of this age to kill the demons and inaugurate a new, golden Age on Earth. They both judge and make war and they each ride a white horse. Hugs, Miguel

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Michael 9348 2248 Indian...	RE: IS THE NEW AGE REALLY COMING? 1/4/2012 7:40:30 PM
	Quote: Hello Mike and Miguel, I must say I agree with a lot of what you say. I came here to adland almost 6 years ago on April 12, 2006 and though I can't remember the date, Shirley told me about this horrific crime against her and she was only 18 at the time. I've often thought about this and wondered how much this horrible experience effected her life over the years. It would have had to have an effect and my heart goes out to her and what she had to endure. I also think that no deed goes unpunished and I'm sure it was true with these men who violated her but we have no way of knowing but I have no doubt that somewhere down life's path they paid for what they did. Who knows, the same thing may have happened to someone they loved. I truly believe they did not escape God's wrath for this unprovoked attack. Quote: Quote: Hi Luis, It is sad when it takes the death of one innocent person to make changes for the good. There are people in many countries that would like to see changes for good, but no one is willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. There are so many stories just like this one, where those in power abuse their authority. Here is an example. A woman in Ohio called the police after she was assaulted by her cousin. Shortly after Shirley moved to Indianapolis to live with me, she told me a story that was shocking, because I did not believe that things like this could happen. She was living at home with her parents until she was twenty-one. Her father passed away in his bed and it became too much for her mother to handle. Eventually, her mother was placed in a hospital for her own protection and Shirley had to find an apartment for herself. Shirley had always trusted people, but was not used to living on her own. She basically stayed to herself, not having many friends and one night there was a knock on the door. She had cashed a check at the bank earlier that day and perhaps was counting the money as she walked back to her apartment. Without thinking she opened the door, not looking to see who it was first. Three big teenagers pushed the door open and knocked her down. One of them pushed her into the bedroom and forced her down on the bed, while the other two went through her pocketbook taking all the money that she had. They also had their way with her. The Landlord heard the screaming and called the police. As the police cars approached with the sirens blasting, the three teenagers climbed out the window. When the two police officers arrived, with tear soaked eyes, Shirley began to tell them what had happened. Then, she began to cry even more because through her tears she could see that one of the officers was undoing his belt. Instead of being saved, Shirley was assaulted (raped), by those who had come to save her. When they finished, they laughed, said, "Have a good night." and left. Shirley crawled out of her bed and went to her living room window just in time to see the police officers under a street light with the three teenagers. What she saw next shocked her even more. The teenagers gave them some of the money that they had stolen. I asked her if she reported it, and said that she was going to but she did not have a phone. The following morning she went to her church and told her priest about it, asking if he could go to the police station with her. She described all five assailants to him. They were all parishoners of his church. He shhok his head and said, "No child. Do not report it. We will take up an extra collection this Sunday for you." She could not believe her ears. She had gone to him for help. As she got up to leave, the priest made her go to the alter and say pentence for her sins. She went to the police anyway and when the desk sargeant read her report along with the names of the two police officers, he sighed, crumpled up the paper and tossed it in the trash. He than gave her a menacing look and said, "That will be all. I have filed your report. You can leave now." This was in 1969, when you did not have the right to report things like that. The Law was the authority and you did not cross their line. She has never forgotten that incident, and I don't imagine she ever will. I often wonder why those from other parts of the Galaxy would even want to save a race like ours. GOD BLESS YOU ~Mike~ http://www.countryvalues65.com Hello Mike, So sorry to learn especially about Shirley's atrocious experience. I don't believe what some chanellers say about people who agreed before they were born to "play" the bad guys' role at this time here. I also don't believe those that say God forgives us all even our most atrocious sins, provided that we are repentant and ask him to forgive us; and that all we have to do then is move forward. I believe what Jesus says, "As you sow so shall you reap." Call it karma or the Law of Talion, there is no escaping it. There are certain wrongdoings that only after you have paid for them can be left behind. Such as you have told me about, especially those committed by the authorities themselves, are the worst kind among them and woe to those people who committed them. Ask Moses, David and so many other great souls who for all their greatness had to pay because they harmed others. I have always thought that any wrongdoings however small must be paid out, especially when done against others. I did many of these when I was a young and uncaring guy and I am paying for them even now. What can then be said of those monsters of cruelty as you describe? You better pay now in this life than in any future ones. I also believe things have gone way too far in our time to be left unpunished. We also cannot be expected to do justice on our own, we tend to punish the weak and forgive the powerful. Also, we should not avenge the wrongs done on us on our own, we would be setting the wheel of karma again in motion. I believe we need God to descend again to this valley of sorrow in order to make things right. The Book of Revelation tells about Christ in all his Glory setting apart the evil guys and sending them to Hell to pay for their sins, after which a new Millennium is established. And the Hindu Scriptures tell about the Kalki avatar who is to appear at the end of this age to kill the demons and inaugurate a new, golden Age on Earth. They both judge and make war and they each ride a white horse. Hugs, Miguel Thank you Mary Evelyn for your continued support. To this day, when someone knocks on the door, Shirley freezes in fear. It is an incident that she will never forget. Often times, if I am not available to answer the door, she will not. If she looks through the peep-hole and does not recognize the person on the other side, she won't open it, but if she does recognize them, she will. A few years ago, when we were living at a different apartment, when I came home from work, I found Shirley all curled up in a corner of the room shaking like a leaf. Furniture had been moved, and closets were in dis array. I rushed over to her and she wimpered and tried to move away. She was in the middle of a real bad seizure. When I realized that, I sat down beside her and spoke softly to her, to calm her down. She was finally able to speak. The people that lived across the hall from us was hiding a teenage boy that had ran away from home. A loud knock came on the door and Shirley asked who it was. A loud voice came back saying, "It is the police!! Open Up!!!" She unlocked the door but before she could open it four police, two male and two female pushed the door open and demanded to know where the boy was. They searched each room, yelling at Shirley the whole time. Shirley was trying to tell them that she had seen a boy of that description across the hall, but they would not listen. They knocked a couple of lamps over, breaking them and about five minutes into the search, one of the female officers saw a teenage boy running past our door. She pointed, yelled "Stop" and ran out after him. The others followed. After they caught the boy and put him in the cruiser, one of the officers went back to our apartment and said to Shirley, "Sorry for the mistake mam, have a good day." I immediately called the station and asked what they were going to do about the mistake they had made. They said that they would send someone out the following day to evaluate the situation. I then had to call for an ambulance because Shirley was going into another seizure. When the female representative came out and looked around, she concluded that they owed us two lamps and some groceries for our troubles. I asked what type of comensation would Shirley received for the two bad seizures that she had. The officer shrugged her shoulders and said, "We can't be held responsible because she can't control her emotions." There are many people that handle authority in the correct manner, however there are others that handle it to their own advantage. Bad things don't happen just to bad people. Too often, good people have bad things happen to them as well. Shortly after that incident, as I was still brooding about it Shirley told me not to worry about it, because they thought they were doing the right thing. To put this all in respective and keep with the theme of this thread, this is why I welcome, but at the same time fear the New Age. If those that will be coming to help us are shot out of the sky, will they forgive those that know not what they do. I have a problem. My question mark doesn't work any more. We need to all join together for the good of Humankind. We must also join together and go to Barry's forum and VOTE FOR MARY EVELYN. OOOps the let ter that follows O is gone also. GOD BLESS YOU ~Mike~ http//www.countryvalues65.com
	Michael J. Caron (Mike) TRUTH IN ADVERTISING!! Friends First. Business Later.
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Luis Miguel 1162 61587 Lima	RE: IS THE NEW AGE REALLY COMING? 1/5/2012 6:23:12 PM
	Dear friends, From all your kind and wise feedback, the truth emerges that no wrong against others can go unpunished on this Earth, but also that it is wrong to seek vengeance on our own. I guess we are all familiar with God's admonishment "Vengeance is Mine," and I guess we all agree with this and the fact that it is for our own good that God issues that terrible warning - not because He is a vengeful god as some may imagine: It's just another way of stating that "no wrong can go unpunished on this Earth." It is a basic rule of connivance, like karma or the Talion Law. Myrna has gone beyond this by pointing out that if we hold a grudge against others for too long, then we are not only not getting any result in the matter of justice, but we are also harming ourselves - hence the need to learn forgiveness, something that for my part I have always found to be very difficult to achieve. Moreover, something that comes to my mind in relation to this is a saying from the Hindus, that if we forgive someone we are actually punishing them in a most refined way, for our offenders will still have to pay for their offense later on - maybe after this life, and in a terrible way. But again, we must not hold any grudge against them. Summing up, it is mere justice that they must pay, but it is best for us not to take personal revenge on them - let God, or the Universe, do it. Above all, we must forgive them but not take any relish in the act of justice once accomplished... except when it does not affect us. In effect, I have already said that I don't believe that God will forgive all sinners even their most atrocious sins, as long as they are repentant and ask Him to forgive them; in effect, admitting such thing as good would, in my view, amount to saying that God is unjust; and even if we cannot believe in a direct divine involvement in human affairs, it would amount to believe that the world that He has created can be imperfect. No, this world is, and has been, perfect from its inception. It is us, the human species, who have turned it into the imperfect world that it is now. And we have done like this particularly from the time that we entered the last and worst age in the human history, the one that is now about to end, precisely because unlike the ancient cultures that considered this Earth and all that it contains to be sacred, we have finally forgotten Him and all His teachings in this regard. May He lead us back to Him soon. Love and Hugs, Miguel
	"Choose a job you love and you will not have to work a day in your life" (Confucius)
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Luis Miguel 1162 61587 Lima	RE: IS THE NEW AGE REALLY COMING? 1/6/2012 6:00:58 PM
	Quote: I would welcome a "new age".....as long as it doesn't have much to do with "New Age". There's a lot of woo-woo and meaningless nonsense floating around out there. I agree with Perry Marshall that the number one skill you can learn today is DISCERNMENT: being able to separate the facts from the BS. In a world where people actually believe in things like homeopathy, crystals, magic underwear, hologram bracelets, aromatherapy, seances, psychics and fortune-tellers.... ....I think the best thing that anyone can resolve in 2011 is simply this: "I resolve to live life in 2012 as free from illusion, delusion, frauds and charlatans as I possibly can. I resolve to increase my critical thinking skills and learn to weigh the evidence for claims instead of just naively believing what someone says. "I resolve to remember that -- just because it's on the Internet -- doesn't make it true.....and that it's quite possible for millions of people to all be simultaneously wrong about something (after all, once upon a time, everyone believed the world was flat.) "I resolve to think for myself. And not to let anyone else do it for me." I think that resolution will do more to bring peace, joy and wisdom to our lives than anything else.......and subsequently it will cause us to be more effective, prosperous and profitable as well. Happy New Year everyone! Tony Rush Hi Tony, So sorry for answering this late. I have not been feeling well, like these end days were making desperate moves to recover preeminence through extreme whether disorder manifestations, which particularly affect me. Or like we are in that last part of a movie where the bad guys launch their final attact on the good ones before being defeated by them. Like you, I too agree with Perry Marshall that the number one skill we can learn today is discernment. But I would not discard all that has to do with the New Age movement. After all, in a way, we are all its tributaries. Let me please explain myself. My early experiences with channeling were over fourty years ago, with friends playing the ouija. We got fascinating response from mysterious entities who used a highly refined philosophical language in their messages. In turn the messages, even at that early stage, had to do with announces of a new age to come. At the time, we discarded them because we failed to understand where they were coming from actually, though it was obvious that they were no joke and that if those entities had at all answered our call, it was because we had approached them seriously enough to attract them. At the same time, there remained the possibility that those responses were intended to suite our preferences rather than be a simple exposition of facts - as if, in a way, we ourselves were producing them out of our own conscious or unconscious desires. In my view, the fact that to this day that is still a possibility does not disqualify the messages altogether. As long as we keep using discernment to tell the wheat from the straw, at any rate, as in so many subjects of discussion where the positions for or against may appear irreconcilable, the truth is almost sure to lie mid way from either end. From the start of this thread, I have tried to never forget this fact and always use discernment in deciding whether or not to post a given material. Whenever the issue at hand was not too clear but the material appeared fascinating, while posting it, I have always recommended the reader to use their own discernment. Happy New Year too, Luis Miguel Goitizolo
	"Choose a job you love and you will not have to work a day in your life" (Confucius)
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