Thomass, Thank you, that was an amazing clarification! I especially related to this part: When to much thinking and to many words got involved later on is when things became more complicated; It seems I am always needing to use more and more words to explain to someone who has apparently misunderstood me what I really meant. Then they use a bunch of words to explain that they really did understand and so on and so on until we lose sight of what we were trying to accomplish in the first place. I'm looking for a way to break that pattern, because it requires so much energy that could be put to better use. I'm grateful to you for expressing your thoughts in a way that will help me with my communication challenges. You also brought us back to the original discussion, for which I'm also grateful. I did try to delete the extra copies of your post, but they all seem to think they are the only copy. I'm afraid that if I delete any of them, we'll lose all of them and any replies that are tied to them, like Kris's and mine. So we'll just have to live with it, because your discourse is too valuable to lose. Now, I know there are others who are reading this conversation, because I can see the stats. I invite anyone who is reading to add their comments, ask any questions they have, or post their own perspective on the link between spirituality and success. The discussion so far has taken on a somewhat metaphysical tone to quote Jack. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing more support for his comments or other viewpoints. Let's give some other ideas some thought, too. Like Luella, I struggle with some concepts. I like to wrestle around with the ideas until something comes clear for me. Often I find that I'm just looking at the same truth from a different perspective. I love to quote the old parable about the four blind men who were describing to each other an elephant. One was touching the trunk, one the tail, one a leg and the other an ear. They got quite put out with each other, one saying that the elephant was like a snake, another like a tree, another like a rope and the last like a leaf. Each thought the other was a fool, and yet they were all right from their own perspective. And none was seeing the whole picture. I aspire to see the whole picture. Who else will step up? Cheri

Hi Cheri, I have just discovered your forum here at Adlandpro. I am very much into success and spirituality. I believe that most people are more afraid of success than failure. Any thoughts on that from anyone? Just getting my feet wet here!

Ha now I see. why I delayed my lengthy post. I can now answer Cheri's concern about having a plan and addressing the fear factor of prosperity for Linda at the same time. I'm learning to follow my feelings better. Thanks for the lesson ! Deep down most of us have inadequacies that we would rather not confront. One of the most powerful things I've heard in goal setting is to write them down and put a date on it. Fine and good but what if you were being ignorant of your inadequacies in estimating the time it would take to get to that point ? When you have a big list of goals and none or few of them are accomplished. Makes you reluctant to go through the embarrassment of writing those goals down again or revising the date. I've always hit my target sooner or later. Sometimes practice is required with several shots to hit that bulls eye. Regardless if the goal was written or a date put on it, I'll get what I want. I think the key is having enough desire and putting emotion behind it. Following your feelings on how to best accomplish a task to reach a goal. Having the goal on your mind always helps a lot in prioritizing the tasks needed to get there. Little things happen every day that bring you closer to a long term goal that if you let your ego determine the correct path for you to take. That is the reason I'm still working on forgetting the concept of working toward a goal. If the goal is yours you will be attracted to it's fulfillment. In regard to my sail boat I've always put other things in front of sailing away. Thus the reason this goal is still unachieved. I thought other things must happen first before the boat would be mine. I must conform to my beliefs before reaching my goal. I know the boat is my destiny my challenge now is dumping those preconceived thoughts that will bring me closer to being on the deck of my boat. Once I've dumped those thoughts the boat will be mine. Now I concentrate on keeping my desire and emotions high and doing the tasks that i feel are most important to reaching that goal. I'm also working on diminishing my ego from the thought process and feeling more. I think the real fear of prosperity comes from our inadequacies. Deep down we feel we are imperfect and do not deserve to have abundance in our lives. That is why I now think of my life as being abundant and myself has perfect. I realize that change is the only constant. To remain perfect I will have to adapt to the new reality of tomorrow. In remaining perfect I try to keep aware of my deficiencies and improve on them. Thus remaining perfect and worthy of abundance in my life. I've got a long way to go but these thought processes are very important to realizing goals faster I've found. Enjoy abundance in your life today Everyone have a wonderful day Peace, Love, Liberty Kris

Hi, Linda Glad you came by! Yes, I have experienced what could be described as fear of success. I think it's a circle. When I started this journey, I mostly read books because that was what I could 'afford'. (I use quotation marks because I have changed my thinking to some extent regarding having things and decisions on spending money. I'm not quite as far down the line as Kris appears to be, but I no longer use the word afford. However, I digress.) Books that I read on this subject were "Permission to Succeed" and (I thought) "Pardon Me, Your Life is Waiting." The latter was actually about energy and the Law of Attraction, which brings us back to what I wanted to convey. Fear of success is a negative energy that in turn attracts results that we often think of as failure. As Tony Robbins might put it, we were actually successful in creating a state of lack, created directly through our fear thought energy and manifested physically into the world. I could go on for hours (and have, in other posts). :-} I see that Kris has answered as well, and is very eloquent on the subject. Do we have any other readers who will describe their experiences with fear of success? I think it's a very valid point. Cheri

Hi again Cheri, Thanks for your request regarding the fear of success. Did you mean, "Excuse Me Your Life Is Waiting" by Lynn Grabhorn? That was one of the first books I also read on Law of Attraction. I also follow the teachings of Abraham, which has served a great purpose in my life to teach me that I can have anything I desire and that I deserve it without any qualifications. Their latest book is Ask and It Is Given. Radical Forgiveness is another book that literally shifted my life in an instant when I read the first chapter of the book - which is available to read online at http://www.ArtOfRadicalForgiveness.com - along with the story of my son's passing and how I believe he led me to find Radical Forgiveness. I think the fear of success is a learned behavior that is taught to most of us as we grow up hearing about the limitations of our family's money, etc. It is a wonderful thing to overcome that "belief" as I do believe that our "beliefs" become our reality. I have shed many beliefs over the last several years. I am grateful for the constant stream of divine direction that now flows to me. I would love to share the story of an unfolding that is happening in my life now. It is the story of a dream of my eternal son, Brian, and the woman in the dream who actually called me the next day. The story is posted at my blog at http://www.MyDivineDirection.com Wow, this message is longer than I intended. Thanks for reading. All is well.