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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
1/6/2012 1:13:20 PM
Hello Friends,

I posted the below article and video in my HSIG thread and thought that for obvious reasons it should be posted here too.

Shalom,

Peter

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I might have posted this video in the past but as a reminder for the Ron Paul supporters who aren't ronbots yet that despite Paul's denials that he isn't anti Israel here's a stark reminder that he is just that.

The below interview with the the Iranian propaganda arm PressTV took place during the Cast Iron campaign when Israel finally retaliated after Hamas controlled Gaza fired over 10,000 missiles, rockets and mortars into Israel. Imagine a neighboring country bombing your country in this manner (it makes no difference what country you're from) and no retaliatory action being taken. Yet the kook Ron Paul thought it was not the proper thing to to do and claimed Hamas were only using home made bombs which is a lie to begin with and called Gaza a "concentration camp" and anyone who's following the area knows it's very far from the truth. But this is another example of Paul's demagoguery and he does it with no shame.

From this interview it shows how anti Israel he is and how pro Hamas he is. No denials can overcome his own words. He supports the terrorist aggressor Hamas and denigrates and even demonizes the defender Israel. Pure Ron Paul lunacy similar to his pro Nuclear Iran lunatic policies.

Shalom,

Peter

Ron Paul: Gaza is like a concentration camp

There’s been a lot of discussion about Rep. Ron Paul’s views on foreign policy and, specifically, Israel. With his performance yesterday in the Iowa caucuses, we thought you should see this interview he gave to Iranian state-owned Press TV in 2009 – during the height of Israel’s defensive incursion into Gaza, following years of rocket attacks against communities in the south of the Jewish state.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d1t4O9CcZQ0





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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
1/6/2012 1:33:09 PM
Hello Friends,

The Heritage Foundation has some interesting thoughts on B Hussein defense budget cuts. My first thought was that he has money for "Solyndra" payouts but not for defense and security. The article is short but interesting.

Shalom,

Peter

Heritage: Obama Defense Cuts Will End US Safety

Thursday, 05 Jan 2012 12:32 PM

By Andra Varin

The Pentagon should be pushing “bold new moves” to protect the country’s interests instead of its perilous new plan to reduce troops dramatically and slash spending, a Heritage Foundation expert says.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced the new strategy today, calling for greater U.S. military presence in Asia, pulling troops from Europe, and cutting spending by nearly half a trillion dollars.

The Heritage Foundation’s James Jay Carafano writes that the new strategy amounts to pulling “the safety net out from a global security architecture that has protected U.S. vital interests worldwide since 1945.”

“The Obama Administration’s strategy by wishful thinking will not be sufficient to keep the nation safe, free, and prosperous in the year ahead. Rather, Congress and the White House should be making bold moves to restore America’s capacity to protect itself,” Carafano writes on the foundation’s website.

The Pentagon should invest in more combat planes and stealth fighters, ramp up production of Navy vessels, and put the missile defense program on the fast track, Carafano maintains.

He also insisted that it was a mistake for the Pentagon to reduce ground forces.

“Shedding the most qualified, combat-experienced, volunteer ground forces in the nation’s history would be like Apple canceling the production of iPhones to save money. It makes no sense,” he wrote.


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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
1/6/2012 9:10:18 PM
Hello Friends,

I just finished reading the letter Sen. Marco Rubio sent the fraud and great pretender B Hussein. Shame there aren't more of his caliber in the Senate and Congress. The really good guys are few and far between but He's definitely one of them.

The below letter is a must read.

Shalom,

Peter

P.S. I apologize for the poor quality of the letter but at the source it was in picture format and bringing it to a readable size distorted the quality a bit. Sorry about that.









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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
1/7/2012 12:39:00 AM
Hello Peter

You have pulled out a sentence I wrote to slap me over the head with it, yet it is not what I said at all.
I showed you in my last responses that you have not understood me and misquoted on 3 occasions.
Since I have taken a different standing to your views I have suddenly become inconsistent, when up until then I was normal, even had some wisdom and sanity.!
When did I become so mean as to not want salvation for anyone, I have thought I was kind and considerate to everyone, all races, all religions, both sexes, all ages... Now I don't have any of these qualities.

Yes, I do remember I wrote lots about the Global Elite members and I also gave lists via written and video of the "Secret Clubs within the Govt structure" that the 'known' inside Secret Govt are part and members of ... e.g. Trilateral Commission, Federal Reserve Banks, Bilderburg Group, Bohemia Grove etc...meetings held behind closed door in secrecy.

Did you see Dr Ron Pauls name on there? I didn't.

I have also said which you did not agree - that I had hard trouble to believe that humans without satanic influence could be so evil on their own. Sinful yes, we were born into sin from Adam and Eve - evil no. I also said I believed we were in a Spiritual war which you also disagreed.

These members of the Secret Shadow Govt, Banksters etc are so deep within the Satanical realm. Many will not, cannot, get back out as they have turned their hearts away from God, as the bible says. God does take His hands off people who are wicked and they cannot find repentance..
Yet if there are member/s whom God does open their eyes too (remember it is up to God) and they repent and publically declare their repentance turn around (believe in your heart and declare with you mouth that Jesus is Lord and you will be saved) Who am I to deny this.

There have been men and women whom have been delivered from the grasp of Satanism of one kind or another and been in it for many many years. Who go out and are public speaking to help others and encourage they can get out too with Jesus. I rejoice when I hear about these people, another victory.

There are people who join in alternative religions, faiths, astrology, secret societies etc some of them are our friends. Yet as far as I know they are not consorting deliberately and knowingly to bring harm on the rest of us.
I say knowingly because there are people who will not wake up and understand that US is sinking deeply everyday into Communism / Socialism take over because they have been so brain washed and mind controlled, too sick etc they will be part of the problem and not the solution as they will go along. I do not harbour any animosity towards them, but it will be frustrating and very probably a big test to my patience and anger especially if anyone starts spying on us and telling tales to police etc as the freedom of speech gets tighter and growing your own veges, owning live stock etc is more under attack. However, they are in my prayers too.

Love the sinner and hate the sin.

I hope you will find this interesting and shine some more light on issues I share. This website of Charlotte Iserbyt American Deception, she says we can download from her site as they are pdf files.
Alex interviewing her over the phone today on her revised abridged book of Dumbing Down of America she has released for sale.

Ron Paul has stood alone, standing up for the Constitution since the 1980s speaking on the same issues and solutions, he has not deviated or flip flopped that we see and hear with great regularity the other candidates.
I never heard of him until last year and I did take any notice when I first saw his name. MSM seemed to have always pushed him out of the views. Then as I saw and heard more about him I started listening and my first video I was astonished especially about Federal Reserve Bank not being Federal and also it is not a law to pay income tax under the constitution. I listened to other videos and he made sense. I want Liberty and not be deceived and trapped within a maize of wars and other goings on this is just so wrong. Treason cannot be made into a legal law not matter how you look at it, it is against God's Laws and that is where I stand - with the Lord Jesus Christ my only Saviour.

MSM tactics cut him Ron off. He was given 90 seconds in a debate that the rest of the candidates got way longer. They misquote him, show bits and pieces of his interviews that suit their agenda, etc etc.

It was the same with Obama, I did not take any notice of him until I received more and more information on him and started researching the information I was receiving and posting with people ...The MSM did the same hatchet trick with Sarah Palin and we talked about this often while Obama could do no wrong.

To say that I got all my information from Alex Jones is simply not true.
I have been searching for years right here in ALP forums, along with other social media sites. I have known ever since I moved to the States that it was so hard to find resources to help me with information it was just not out there and no one could even point me in the right direction because they did not know either. I have spoken many times of my frustrations that things in general was not right.
...FDA allowing dangerous drugs with awful side effects. other issues talked about, but I could not put my finger on the problem.

I spend a lot of time on my responses so I can try to dot the i's and cross the Ts especially with you lately. I have said often you don't comprehend and or understand quite what I am saying.
I do not know how to make myself clearer - I am trying yet it is so frustrating. Then you come back and say I am repeating myself.. Yes I have to - to try a different avenue to make myself understood..

Amanda



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Once again you've shown an inconsistency when negative information about the kook Ron Paul is presented. Remember that the lists you've posted in the past about all the politicians/persons who were/are members of secret societies, fraternities, Freemasons etc was proof enough to condemn them and make them part of the Elite/Illuminati/NWO etc. Now that Ron Paul is shown to be a member of these secret societies you're backtracking and claiming that not all of them are bad. That was obvious from the start yet you and others failed to recognize that fact then but now when the kook is caught you're forgiving and finding excuses. It just goes to show that for the ronbots their "savior" can do no wrong and or is forgiven when others are condemned for the exact same thing.

I had to smile when you wrote:
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I have not had a chance to do indepth research, if Ron is still involved or renounced his involvement in repentance.. I have had other home issues to see too our animal upkeep in these freezing temperatures being one of them.
I hope all is well with your animals but their plight is not what caused me to smile but your future search to see if Paul is still a member of these 'secret societies' or renounced his membership and repented. Are you kidding? Even if he would deny or renounce it now could you believe him? I doubt you would believe any such denial or 'repentance' today from any other politician/person on your "list' from the right and left but if Ronny denies it it would be the holy grail? Like his lack of knowledge that his news letter was racist and he knew nothing about it?? That too was a long line of deception with contradictory statements from him over the years.

I never ever said that being a member of the Freemasons or fraternal secret societies condemned a person......you did. I'm sure your guru Alex Jones had a lot to do with that belief unless it also includes Ron Paul then all is forgiven or they're not all bad. Consistency Amanda, there is none here.

When you FINISH your "research" or Alex Jones tells his followers what to believe let me/us know it should be an interesting and funny read.

Shalom,

Peter


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Ron Paul relating to Crescent and Cross secret society, I had not heard of this society before.. does sadden me as such a vast amount of professional men and women join Freemasons etc and not knowing the dark side down on the lower rungs, they think it is a christian group whom help their areas as Masonics and other societies, do a whole lot of helpful and charity type work around their districts.

I have not had a chance to do indepth research, if Ron is still involved or renounced his involvement in repentance.. I have had other home issues to see too our animal upkeep in these freezing temperatures being one of them.
I knew of many men back in my home town in New Zealand whom were members. The Masonic Lodge was situated in the same street as all the main line churches! and these members attended our churches with their wives and families.

The freemason / secret society members are not all evil people and consorting with the Global Elite - not all muslims are evil - not all catholics are evil - not all christians are evil, not all Jews are evil not all humans are evil etc etc..Sinners yes, walking in sin, yes..

I am not saying that I condone occult / secret societies, however, walking on the dark side deliberately and choosing to walking in the light are choice actions..One knows the difference.

It also saddens me when many of my friends I have, also 'straddle the fence' of being interested and dabble in astrology, new age movements and many other occult activities, not realising how deceptive it is.

I not believe any of these friends or Ron Paul are actively consorting with the Global Elite. I will need to up my prayer time in these areas.

We see young people moving up the ladder of celebrities Jason Beeber being one of the latest casualties into the occult, it is rife in Hollywood and the pop culture.

The deception of many innocent looking pictures, ornaments, rugs etc we bring into our homes or watch on TV at the movies. I have had to throw out stuff years ago as I learned through prayer and matured in my walk with Jesus because it was not apparent to me at first. I share videos, articles etc. We live in a very deceptive world and we are all surrounded by visual occult objects etc.

Amanda

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Hello Amanda,

I don't "gloss" over anything written in my threads. I might choose not to reply again to subjects that have been discussed to death, or not to relate to unfounded conspiracy theories and I've given my reasons for that many times as well.

What I find interesting is that you chose not to relate to the article in my post above relating to Ron Paul's association with the Freemasons and secret societies a topic you write extensively about in regard to the Elite/Illuminati, globalists and the NWO. Could it be that it sorta puts the kook Ron Paul in a different light? I wonder? Or is this just another topic that'll be brushed off by his supporters as not relevant? Or did you simply not read it as you most likely didn't read Daniel Greenfield's article either? Both of these articles raise questions that should be answered and haven't been ..........yet and most probably won't be answered.

Shalom,

Peter

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Hello Peter,
You probably noticed that I used notepad and copied and pasted so I could answer to the best of my ability.

I am sorry I did mess up with that page you copied out - I did look at that considered it, but it was not the contents that I was looking for.
What I thought I had linked to was the Search page (which have a long url with unusual letters &% in them) for Causes of Annual Deaths because there is quite a few and this has been a concern of mine - We are being Soft Killed... This issue has nothing to do with Ron Paul - it is mine. I have spoken on this many times, yet I feel you just gloss over these.

Amanda

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I have a big surprise for you. I'm not gonna reply to your full post cos the majority of it has been discussed in past posts and it appears that you believe if you repeat things often enough you'll tire me out but nothing can be further from the truth and as I said in previous posts it simply starts to bore me.

I will refer to one part only simply for the reason that as usual when you use the Paul and Jones rhetoric and sound bytes you also ignore history and present it in a distorted manner which sounds more like propaganda then true facts and distorting history for the sake of supporting the kook Ron Paul and the Elite/Illuminati issue.

You quoted one sentence "Islam butchered over 250,000,000 infidels over the centuries" and omitted why I wrote that sentence. I'll put in the full quote and your reply that totally ignores history and is full of Ron Paul and Jones sound bytes. My remarks will come after the quote.
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I wonder why you haven't got the same compassion for the Elite/Illuminati? Sorta a contradiction there I would say. And don't tell me it's cos the E/I killed so many people over the years. Do I have to remind you again that they are the new kids on the block? Islam butchered over 250,000,000 infidels over the centuries so I wouldn't waste your compassion and love on them cos you're in line if you don't submit to their will. They certainly feel no compassion or love for infidels and their handiwork against Christians in many muslim countries is very well documented and proves just that.



you do not say how many muslims have been killed by Gentiles, Christians and Jews - Military from NZ, Australia, Canada, Britain, US over the centuries - we can kill them but they cannot retaliate.
The military has been stationed in Muslim countries for decades, did they even want us there, did we even ask them? These are the questions one has to ask ourselves. I reckon our respective Govts have been the big bullies on the block.
Then when the soldiers come back wounded or even dead they are treated appallingly. The wounded do not have enough medical insurance to cover all their care, and Military are paid poorly for what they are expected to do. Their families suffer trying to make ends meet. It disturbs me greatly how much these men, women and their families suffer from the traumer - The majority of the Military are Ron Paul supporters, I reckon that in itself tells me alot as they were sent into wars that killed innocent women and children, they saw first hand that it was a farce and they were manipulated and lied too. There are many youtubes of interviews.


Amanda, here you go again trying to mislead and claim that Muslims killed the infidels cos the infidels also killed them. You're talking about the recent past and the 250,000,000 million have been killed over the past almost 1,500 years. Try and forget the Ron Paul sound bytes (if you can), the short history of the Elite/Illuminati and open your history books and read about the history of Islamic conquests and the killings in the name of allah, jihad, koran all for the sake of world domination and an Islamic Caliphate. I posted the history in the past and I'll try to find it and edit the link in here. If not google Caliphate or the historic wars of the Caliphate. You can't change history but you can ignore it and use ridiculous sound bytes and propaganda instead which is exactly what you've done.

Now here's an interesting thing. In your reply you added a link with no explanation (
http://tempuri.org/tempuri.html ) and I assumed it was to support what you're planning to write but you miscalculated cos all you did was read the title of the article but failed to read the article. If you did read it you sure misunderstood it. I'd recommend reading the article rather depending on a title that you think supports your views. I'll post the full article below. BTW, in the past I referred to this article cos it shows how future journalists are being brainwashed and taught to be biased while still studying their future trade. In addition it also shows how the on line journalist course is funded by George Soros and his groups. Ooooops.

Shalom,

Peter

Course Instructs Journalists to Take Note That Jihad 'Not a Leading Cause of Death'

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Published September 29, 2011

| FoxNews.com

A new online journalism course on Islam appears to downplay the threat posed by global jihad groups, suggesting reporters keep the death toll from Islamic terrorism in "context" by comparing that toll to the number of people killed every year by malaria, HIV/AIDS and other factors.

"Jihad is not a leading cause of death in the world," the online course cautions studying journalists.

While that is technically true, researchers at the Culture and Media Institute who examined the online program took exception to that and numerous other claims made in the Poynter News University course

Dan Gainor, vice president at the institute, said the course is sweeping these threats "under the rug," while watering down the section on jihad with inappropriate comparisons.

"Infectious disease, we have government structures to prevent that, and that's great ... in radical Islam we have not even one organization but several organizations that are constantly seeking to kill Americans and others too," he said. "It seems like journalists should not be involved in trying to downplay that."

Gainor's group released a report Thursday morning on the course.

The Islam reporting program is supported in part by a group, the Social Science Research Council, which has received funding from organizations backed by billionaire George Soros.

In the section on jihad, the course informs readers that the word merely means "struggle" in Arabic -- this is something White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan has sought to remind the public of in the past. The course notes that terrorism in the name of jihad has "failed to mobilize Muslims outside of a few territories."

But to illustrate this point, the course references the number of people killed by various causes, implicitly suggesting journalists change the way they report on jihad-related deaths.

"Of the hundreds of murders that occur each day, journalists are far more likely to report on jihad-related incidents than other violence. As a result, news consumers have developed a skewed impression of the prevalence of jihad, relative to other forms of conflict. Context is essential in covering this global story in a way that does not amplify fears of jihad," the course says.

The Poynter course estimates jihad groups have killed about 165,000 people over the past four decades, mostly in Iraq. It notes the biggest toll in the United States was the approximately 3,000 killed on Sept. 11, 2001.

"To give those numbers some context, the FBI reports that approximately 15,000 people in the U.S. are murdered each year. All around the world, more than half a million people are murdered annually, according to the World Health Organization," the course says. "At its peak, jihad organizations have accounted for less than 2 percent of this toll -- in most years, they account for well under 1 percent. (A half-million individuals die each year from nutritional deficiencies, more than 800,000 from malaria, and 2 million from HIV/AIDS.)"

Gainor noted that murder victims mostly are killed in separate incidents, whereas victims of Islamic terrorism often are killed in larger-scale attacks. Also, murder victims typically are not killed in the name of an ideological war against a country.

The online course, which is broken into several sections, also discusses "right-wing activists" bent on linking American Muslims to terrorism. The section includes the good-journalism tip that reporters should check to see if experts they're interviewing "have a bias or a stake in the story you are covering." But then it only cites examples of anti-Muslim groups.

The course also addresses Shariah law without including information of instances where the law is interpreted with harsh consequences.

"In countries governed by strict adherence to Islam, such as Iran and Saudi Arabia, Shariah is the law of the land. But in many other Muslim countries, such as Egypt, there are separate civil and Shariah law courts, with the latter governing issues such as marriage and family law, while civil courts decide the rest," the course says.

But the Culture and Media Institute, part of the conservative Media Research Center, noted that in strict countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia, people can be stoned to death or flogged for non-violent crimes. In Iran, a pastor who refused to renounce his Christian faith was facing execution after his sentence was recently upheld by an Iranian court -- though an attorney now says he is likely to be acquitted.

The Poynter Institute said in an email to FoxNews.com that it created the course "as a tool for journalists who want to be accurate in educating their audience about the religion and culture of Islam, Muslim communities in the U.S., and the distinctions between Islam as a political movement and the radical philosophies that inspire militant Islamists."

"We believe there is a need to better understand the complexities of Muslim societies and the online course offered by Poynter and Washington State University is a vital resource toward that end," the Poynter Institute said.

"The values underpinning the course are truth, accuracy, independence, fairness, minimizing harm and context -- the core journalistic values on which we build all our teaching here at Poynter."


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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
1/7/2012 12:57:49 AM
A very good letter and speech ;-)
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I just finished reading the letter Sen. Marco Rubio sent the fraud and great pretender B Hussein. Shame there aren't more of his caliber in the Senate and Congress. The really good guys are few and far between but He's definitely one of them.

The below letter is a must read.

Shalom,

Peter

P.S. I apologize for the poor quality of the letter but at the source it was in picture format and bringing it to a readable size distorted the quality a bit. Sorry about that.









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