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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
12/24/2011 8:07:05 AM
Hello Friends,

Aside from being a racist Ron Paul is also an isolationist. His naive and dangerous thoughts on this issue boil down to the stupidly simplistic theory that if you leave them alone they will leave you alone. That's why he blames the United States for Jihadi terrorist attacks and ultimately the reason for the 911 attack. That's why he has no problem with a nuclear Iran cos he believes that if we leave them alone they will leave us alone disregarding the fact that the Lunatic Iranian regime claims that both the US and Israel are its main targets. He also believes the war on terrorism is unnecessary for the same reasons. As I said he's stupidly naive and dangerous.

I've already written that Islams plan for world domination didn't start with the Iraqi war nor the Afghanistan war but thousands of years ago. They've been killing infidels throughout the centuries and believe it or not America didn't exist then. So Paul's idiotic theories are just that idiotic and dangerous. The enemy is already amongst us and rather then prepare and protect ourselves Ron Paul would have us isolate ourselves from reality even though Jihad is already here and we are under perpetual attack.

I read in other threads here that some think that since 911 there have been no Jihadi attacks on American soil. I was quite amazed when I read that and came to the conclusion that they are either blind to what's happening in their own back yard or simply deaf, dumb and blind. A few simple reminders of the many jihadi attacks in America is the Ft. Hood jihadi attack (13 murdered and close to 40 wounded) by Maj. Hassan, the Times Sq. bomber that was luckily stopped, the murder of soldiers in a recruiting station and many many more. It's here and home grown jihad is growing by leaps and bounds. Luckily many of them are thwarted by intelligence sources and lives were saved.

So, you can't isolate yourself from the world especially when your own turf has already been infiltrated by the enemy.

The below article by Daniel Greenfield discusses Isolationism and is an excellent read and brings some interesting facts that many might not be aware of.

I'll be posting this in the President That Hates His Country thread and here since it deserves to be there too and relates to both threads.

Shalom,

Peter



Between Responsible and Irresponsible Isolationism

Posted: 21 Dec 2011 08:23 PM PST

There is one fundamental element that is absolutely necessary for an isolationist foreign policy. Isolation. Isolationism without physical isolation is as much good as belligerence without an army to back it up.

American isolationism might have been feasible during WW1 when its neighbors were either friendly or no threat, there was no danger from the Pacific and a fleet crossing the Atlantic seemed unlikely. Though it wasn't so unlikely even then.

As far back as 1897 and long before any American involvement in Europe, Operational Plan Three called for shelling New York and seizing parts of Virginia, as a staging base for attacks on Washington and Baltimore. Plans were drawn up in Germany for the occupation of Boston and Philadelphia.

Vice-Admiral August Thomsen wrote, "At the moment every thinking German officer is occupied with the consequences of a belligerent conflict between Germany and the United States of America."

No American politician was thinking the same thing. America had not intervened in any European wars and had no interest in Germany. But that didn't matter. The Kasier wanted to seize parts of the hemisphere and that meant breaking the dominant power in the region. America's weak fleet made it seem like an easy target.

That is the most important part of the equation that isolationists fail to include in their calculations. Regardless of our foreign policy, we are still a target. Whatever our calculations are, potential enemies may have calculations entirely different from our own. They don't just react to what we do, they have their own plans and agendas. Passivity isn't a defense for the ostrich or for a nation.

In 1900 while America slept, German diplomats were scouting Cape Cod and Provincetown as support bases for an attack on Boston. And the Germans weren't alone. In the early 20th century there were British plans for an assault on New England. But Germany's failure to formulate an alliance with other European powers against the United States led to the abandonment of Operational Plan Three.

When Charles Lindbergh ridiculed the idea of a foreign attack on America, such an attack was less than a year away, but variations of it had been planned by European powers for a good deal longer than that. Terrorist attacks by foreign agents were a now forgotten reality during WW1, including the Black Tom explosion which severely damaged the Statue of Liberty, the Vanceboro bridge bombing, and in an early form of biological warfare a laboratory in Chevy Chase was working on anthrax and glanders cultures to be used on horses.

With the jet plane and the intercontinental ballistic missile, isolationism became completely unworkable without strong deterrence. Even if the United States had chosen to abandon Europe, it would still have needed massive nuclear missile stockpiles, a sizable fleet and military, and a policy of Mutually Assured Destruction just to pursue a policy of isolationism. And had the USSR managed to make even deeper inroads in South America, the United States would have been forced to either push it out or increase the size of its forces to compensate for the loss of a buffer zone against preemptive attacks.

It's not impossible to have an isolationist foreign policy today, to cut any alliances with the rest of the world. But there's a fundamental difference between a responsible and an irresponsible isolationist policy. A responsible isolationist policy recognizes that we have enemies who will act regardless of what we do and prepares against the possibility of war without actively seeking it out.

An irresponsible isolationist foreign policy however acts as if we have no enemies and that any talk that we have enemies is a conspiracy to bring us into a war. It accepts every bit of enemy propaganda as gospel and assumes that if we just "stop bothering them", they'll "stop bothering us". It assumes that the enemy is entirely motivated by our actions, that any conflict we are in is the result of our foreign policy and that isolationism will avert any such conflicts.

This is the version of isolationism that you hear in the Republican debates from Ron Paul. It's the version that Americans heard back in the 1930's from Lindbergh. Rather than recognizing that a military buildup is an important deterrent to war, it attacks military buildups as provocative. It assumes that the only possible reason why we might be attacked are foreign entanglements and if we just tuck our heads in then there will be no conflict.

The absurdity of this approach when it comes to the current clash of civilizations with Islam is obvious enough. This isn't a conflict that dates back from 1991 or 1948 or even the First Barbary War in 1805. It's a war that predates the United States and modern day Europe. It is a conflict that goes back over a thousand years to the decline and fall of the eastern remains of the Roman Empire and the rise of Islam as a militant unification ideology to fill that void.

American foreign policy can't turn back the clock on that history. It can affect events in the present day, but it can't undo the roots of a conflict that it has inherited. American foreign policy had a good deal to do with the rise of Islamic states built on petrodollars, but isolationism is certainly not going to make them go away. Certainly not Ron Paul's brand of isolationism which pretends that there is nothing wrong with Islam that can't be fixed with an American isolationist foreign policy.

During the last debate, Ron Paul asked why they're bombing us and not Sweden or Switzerland. The answer is very simple. You only bomb people who resist. Stockholm is 20 percent Muslim. Muslim terrorists operate out of Sweden, including a top Al-Qaeda leader, but they don't need to attack a territory that they're already on the way to ruling through natural demographics.

44 percent of Europe's population is over 45. Under 34 percent is under 30. Meanwhile half of European Muslims are under 30. The math isn't very hard to do. The only countries that need to be targeted by Muslim terrorists are those which have a high enough birth rate that demographics alone won't do the trick.

The First World country with the highest birth rate is Israel. It's also the country most targeted by Muslim terrorists. The First World country with the second highest birth rate is the United States. It is the country second most targeted by terrorists. The next major countries on the list are France and the UK. There's a term for this sort of thing. It's demographic suppression and political intimidation.

Back in the 19th century the Kasier hoped that shelling Manhattan and seizing a few cities would bring the United States to the negotiating table. Japan thought that bombing Pearl Harbor would accomplish the same thing. But while Tojo was wrong, the House of Saud was correct. September 11 brought the United States to the negotiating table with Islam. Muslims have been granted special privileges and their immigration rate has increased. That's one path to an eventual demographic domination.

Islamic attacks against the United States may emerge from various micro-events, but the macro-event from which they originate is the shared history of the Western world and the ongoing conflict between the Muslim world and the West. Some isolationists may act as if the United States can break with European history through assertion alone. It cannot. Like it or not it shares a common history and a common culture. America derives from Europe, and whether Americans recognize it or not, the rest of the world does. To Islam, America is not an island, it is another outpost of an enemy civilization that must be subdued so that the way of Mohammed will triumph around the world.

Ron Paul type isolationists fail to distinguish between the proximate causes of war and the ultimate causes of war. A proximate cause of war may be a ship that has wandered into the wrong area which may have been caused by a trade dispute which may have been caused by debts which may have been caused by growing militarism and greed for land. But none of those are truly the ultimate cause of war. The ultimate cause of war is the incompatibility of two systems and two civilizations within the same space.

Technological development means that the old boundaries are all but gone. Immigration means that the enemy population is already here. The rise of Islam means that war is inevitable, all that remains are the details, which battle, on what terms and in what form, and the larger detail of who will win.

Rationalism isolationism accepts that war may be inevitable but chooses to meet it on our terms. Irrational isolationism, which often carries with it defeatist and treasonous overtones, accepts the enemy's justifications for the conflicts and assumes that if we modify our behavior accordingly that there will be no need for war.

"Si vis pacem, para bellum," was a rule that the old Romans knew. If you would have peace, prepare for war. The emblem of the Strategic Air Command was an olive branch and thunderbolt held in a mailed fist. Its motto was "Peace is Our Profession". The SAC kept the peace through the threat of war. Only an isolationism that understands the meaning of that motto can be successful.
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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
12/24/2011 9:02:02 AM
Hi Peter and all,


These articles
are very interesting and really bring home many reasons why Ron Paul should be avoided at all costs. I have noticed that his followers are aptly called Paul Bots and in the corners I have visited they appear not much more than auto responders. If you look into who they are you will find they have more expertise in the I-Phone than accomplishments in the real world.

Any way thanks for finding this incite.

Rick
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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
12/24/2011 10:40:30 AM
Hi Rick,

Gotta agree with you. They are to be avoided and aas I've said in the past whenever an anti Ron Paul article is posted or published anywhere on the web they come out of the wood work in droves with their Ron Paul propaganda and in many cases their disgusting racist and antisemitic slurs. In one of the articles the author made the distinction between the ronbots and people who are buying into parts of the Paulian drivel which aside from the fiscal and fight against the Fed is all simplistic and naive theories ......... IMO. It's these people that have to be convinced that Ron Paul is a dangerous guy and to be avoided at all costs.

Shalom,

Peter

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Hi Peter and all,


These articles
are very interesting and really bring home many reasons why Ron Paul should be avoided at all costs. I have noticed that his followers are aptly called Paul Bots and in the corners I have visited they appear not much more than auto responders. If you look into who they are you will find they have more expertise in the I-Phone than accomplishments in the real world.

Any way thanks for finding this incite.

Rick
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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
12/24/2011 12:29:29 PM
Hello Friends,

New information on the duplicity of Ron Paul keeps on popping up. It appears that as loyal as his ronbots are to him there are an equal amount of people dedicated to showing the true face of this guy.

MSM as usual isn't covering this like they did with the allegations against Herman Cain (without substantial proof of any wrong doing). Yet, with Ron Paul where so far there is proof that his denials are lies and he was involved in his racist news letters they don't ask the hard questions you'd expect them to. Thank God for our 'reliable' alternative news sources.

The below article discusses a letter found by James Kirchick a contributing editor for The New Republic that promotes his news letter. Once again Paul's duplicity is being uncovered and his denials aren't worth the squeaky voice mouthing them.

The NewsMax article is well worth reading if you're interested in finding out the truth about Ron Paul.

Shalom,

Peter


Ron Paul Letter Warned 'Race War' Coming

Thursday, 22 Dec 2011 11:45 PM

A direct-mail solicitation for Ron Paul's political and investment newsletters two decades ago warned of a "coming race war in our big cities" and of a "federal-homosexual cover-up" to play down the impact of AIDS.

The eight-page letter, which appears to carry Paul's signature at the end, also warns that the U.S. government's redesign of currency to include different colors - a move aimed at thwarting counterfeiters - actually was part of a plot to allow the government to track Americans using the "new money."

The letter urges readers to subscribe to Paul's newsletters so that he could "tell you how you can save yourself and your family" from an overbearing government.

The letter's details emerge at a time when Paul, now a contender for the Republican nomination for president, is under fire over reports that his newsletters contained racist, anti-homosexual and anti-Israel rants.

Reports of the newsletters' contents have Paul's campaign scrambling to deny that he wrote the inflammatory articles.

Among other things, the articles called the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. a "world-class philanderer," criticized the U.S. holiday bearing King's name as "Hate Whitey Day," and said that AIDS sufferers "enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick."

As Paul made a campaign stop in Manchester, Iowa, on Thursday, his Iowa chairman, Drew Ivers, repeated Paul's assertions that he did not write the articles that resurfaced this week in a report in the Weekly Standard magazine.

Paul has said that he is not sure who wrote the articles that were published under his name. He has said the articles do not reflect his views, and noted that his public stances - supporting gays in the military for example - have run counter to the incendiary statements in the newsletters.

In an interview with CNN's Gloria Borger on Wednesday, Paul said of the newsletter's articles: "I didn't write them. I didn't read them at the time and I disavow them."

When Borger continued to pursue the subject, Paul removed his microphone and walked out of the interview.

"It is ridiculous to imply that Ron Paul is a bigot, racist, or unethical," Ivers said.

However, Ivers said, Paul does not deny or retract material that Paul has written under his own signature, such as the letter promoting Paul's newsletters.

When asked whether that meant Paul believed there was a government conspiracy to cover up the impact of AIDS, Ivers said, "I don't think he embraces that."

Paul's newsletters "showed good factual information and investment information," Ivers said. "It was a public service, helping people understand and equip them to avoid an unsound monetary policy."

"EXTRAORDINARY SOURCES"

The letter promoting Paul's newsletters was written about 1993. It was during a period in which Paul - who left Congress in 1985 after serving about eight years - returned to Washington after a decade's absence.

(For a PDF of the solicitation letter see link.reuters.com/vud75s)

The letter was provided to Reuters by James Kirchick, a contributing editor for The New Republic magazine. He says he found the letter in archives of political literature maintained by the University of Kansas and the Wisconsin Historical Society.

Early in the 2008 presidential campaign - in which Paul was a candidate - Kirchick published an article in The New Republic in which he described Paul as "not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing - but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics."

The letter promoting Paul's newsletters claims that Paul - through what he describes as a network of "extraordinary sources" in Congress, the White House, the Treasury and Justice departments, the Federal Reserve and the Internal Revenue Service - had acquired unique insider information that would his subscribers to "neutralize" the plans of "powerbrokers."

Paul's letter went on to describe various plots and schemes that he had "unmasked," including a "plot for world government, world money and world central banking." He also claimed to have exposed a plan by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to "suspend the Constitution" in a falsely declared national emergency.

Despite being "told not to talk," Paul wrote that his newsletters also "laid bare" the "Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica," and a "federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS."

Paul claimed that his "training as a physician" helped him "see through" this alleged cover-up.

Paul also suggested that a planned U.S. currency with new notes designed to curb counterfeiting and money laundering would result in the distribution of "totalitarian bills" that "were tinted pink and blue and brown, and blighted with holograms, diffraction gratings, metal and plastic threads and chemical alarms."

Paul said the money was designed to allow authorities to "keep track of American cash and American citizens."

He urged the letter's readers to send in $99, which would buy subscriptions to his monthly political and investment newsletters, a copy of his book "Surviving the New Money," an investment manual and access to the "unlisted phone number of my Financial Hotline for fast breaking news."

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RE: The President That Hates His Country By Joan Swirsky
12/26/2011 12:56:42 PM
Hello Friends,

On Friday Ron Paul apologized
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for not paying enough attention to "ghost writer"he said were responsible for racist and anti-gay messages in newsletters and an ad published under his name two decades ago.


There are some political analysts who are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but qualify that with the statements that a person who can't control news letters, ads and direct mailings going out under his name with his signature isn't really the person they'd like to see in the White House.

I for one don't believe it for a second and I refer you to the articles I posted a few days ago by David Bahnsen that proves that he knew and was connected to the most vile racists and wrote extensively for them as well. You can read 2 posts by this author here (4th and 5th posts on the page).

This man can't deny responsibility and a lack of knowledge about articles in news letters he published for years and was also the editor of said news letters AND profited to the tune of $1,000,000 in some years from them. A man not in control of the staff of a news letter (if you believe his claims) surely won't be able to control the staff and advisers he would have if he ever (God forbid) be elected president of the USA.

The below article gives more details on this issue and for those that didn't read the articles by David Bahnsen I highly recommend you do. The 4th and 5th posts on this page.

Shalom,

Peter

Ron Paul blames anti-Israel rhetoric on ghost writers

Newsletters sent in 1993 under Paul's name contained racist, anti-homosexual and anti-Israel rants • Political analysts say that even if Paul did not write the messages in the ad and newsletters, his apparent inability to control his modest newsletter- and book-selling operation may not bode well for a man seeking to run the executive branch of the U.S. government.

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According to Ron Paul, someone else put hateful words into his own mouth.
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U.S. Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul apologized on Friday for not paying enough attention to "ghost writers" he said were responsible for racist and anti-gay messages in newsletters and an ad published under his name two decades ago.

In a statement to Reuters, a spokesman for Paul continued to disavow the messages in the writings, but for the first time the Texas congressman's campaign said he should have done more to prevent them from being published.

Although widely viewed as a longshot to win the Republican nomination, Paul has led in recent polls in Iowa, where caucuses on Jan. 3 will kick off the contest to select a nominee to challenge President Barack Obama in the 2012 election.

Paul's statement came a day after Reuters reported that a direct-mail ad for Paul's political and investment newsletters - they were sent around 1993 and appeared to include Paul's signature at the end - warned of a "coming race war" and a "federal-homosexual cover-up" to play down the impact of AIDS.

The Reuters report about Paul's direct-mail letter came after reports resurfaced this week about racist, anti-homosexual and anti-Israel rants in the newsletters.

Articles in the newsletters criticized the U.S. holiday marking the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday as "Hate Whitey Day," and said that AIDS sufferers "enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick."

"Dr. Paul did not write that solicitation. It does not reflect his thoughts and is out of step with the message he has espoused for 40 years," Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said Friday in an email.

Benton added that "there were multiple ghost writers involved and he does not know who penned the particular offensive sections.

"Ultimately, because the writing appeared under his name and he should have better policed it, Dr. Paul has assumed responsibility, apologized for his lack of oversight, and disavowed the offensive material."

The direct-mail letter was sent during a period in which Paul, 76, was a practicing physician in Texas after having served in Congress for nearly a decade. He returned to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1997.

The letter was provided to Reuters by James Kirchick, a contributing editor for The New Republic magazine, who wrote a profile of Paul during the 2008 presidential campaign.

Questions of Leadership

Amid reports about the direct-mail letter and the Paul newsletters this week, supporters of his campaign have rallied on the Internet, calling the reports an effort by the mainstream media to derail his upstart campaign.

Political analysts say that if even if Paul did not write the messages in the ad and newsletters, his apparent inability to control his modest newsletter- and book-selling operation may not bode well for a man seeking to run the executive branch of the U.S. government.

Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a communications professor at the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg School, said she has followed Paul for years and that the messages in the direct-mail ad were "emphatically inconsistent" with his frequent statements supporting minorities and gay rights.

But Jamieson questioned how it was "plausible" for Paul to deny responsibility for materials that had provided him income.

"What does that say about his managerial competence?" she asked.

Larry Sabato, a politics professor at the University of Virginia, agreed.

"Ron Paul would have us believe that this newsletter went out under his name and a direct-mail solicitation for it went out under his signature, yet he knew nothing about it. That is not credible," Sabato said.

"Or is it that Paul can't control his own staff?" Sabato asked. "Not exactly a qualification for the presidency. At the very least, more explanation is needed."


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