TOPIC IS CLOSED
The reply I got from Joanne is came after the deadline of 48 hours I gave her. After I posted in her forum and being disappointed she deleted me from her friends list and by doing that she stops all kind of communication.
Updated February 19th, 2009, 01.00 p.m. Athens time Here is the notification message from AdlandPRo:
Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:15 AM Hi Georgios,
Your friend: JoAnne Green has removed you from his/her friend list at AdlandPro Community.
To view all your friends, please visit: http://community.adlandpro.com/friends.aspx
To view your personal page, click on: http://community.adlandpro.com/go/Genesis
Regards, AdlandPro Team
As result to the above six hours later I blocked JoAnne from my forum and I blocked and deleted Peter from all kind of contacts, because what his is doing right now together with his closes friends is to spread hate and fear to intimidate to all our Islamic friends. This kind of posts should immediately stop. I don't share his ideas and the best for me and the community is to stay away form him. What he is doing is against the rules of this community. He is behind all kind of failures lately and he is the one who instructs some of his friends how to work and act to his favor to make him a King but he did not expect me and some other friends to react and expose all this fraud in this community. He was thrown out from the BFA Judging Committee*, thrown out from the POTW Administration and technically forced out by accepting a resignation from the POTY after we announced a warning to all members for a cheat in the contest. He is now libeling all those who dared to say their meaning in this case. Both of them are unconsicously proud and egocentric to accept their failure.
* A month back Peter told my "in secret" in a skype chat that he was a member in the BFA Judging committee.
Posted: 2009-02-18 01:53 AM
To Georgios
Paraskevopoulos and All AdLanders:
There are
three parts in this message:
(1) my response to Georgios
Paraskevopoulos' remarks toward me in his "Georgios vs. JoAnne" thread,
(2)
a proposal how to resolve the conflict, and
(3)
proposed actions to demonstrate good will and honor for a truce among involved
parties.
First,
I want to respond to Georgios Paraskevopoulos' statements which he has made in
his "Georgios vs. JoAnne" thread,
http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/1197189/ShowThread.aspx, on
February 8, 9 & 15, 2009.
Georgios:
In your thread you have claimed repeatedly that I accused you of being an
e-banking scammer. I did not. This issue centers on your post on Sunday, January
10, 2009, on my Town Crier thread, which you addressed to two AdLand members
that had posted on my forum with whom you had a dispute. For reference I will
start with repeating your post below. You wrote:
"Now
about pointing out a person. I used your name and that is to point out
somebody. You say: I did not use any names. The result is same: My
example to you. In a thread I have all information about all your e-banking
cards (they may be empty lol) and I have there also usernames and passwords.
I do not tell who the owners is but somewhere in a forum I write go to LINK
X there are lots of money to get. Of course if the see your e-cards they
have your name and if there is a picture identified. I did not use any
name but I gave the information where to. Be sure all your e-banking
accounts would be empty in few seconds and the all the visitors would know
who you are. So that is not an argument for not pointing out a person."
Whatever you may have intended that to mean, it is easy to read as you saying
that you have access to people's e-banking card user names and passwords and the
ability to empty those accounts if you chose to do so, and that you were trying
put a scare into people that you disagreed with. Because I saw that possible
intent in your words, I consulted with some legal experts and cyber crime
specialists to get their opinion. They confirmed that what you wrote could,
indeed, be a veiled threat, that it should not be taken lightly, and that I and
those to whom your post was addressed, as well as anyone else on AdLand who
might feel threatened, would be well-advised to take certain steps to protect
themselves from possible identity theft. This is not saying you had actually
committed internet identity theft but that what you said could be taken as a
threat or an intimidation, whether or not you had the ability or the intent to
carry it out.
It is not much different from someone boarding a flight at an airport telling
fellow passengers, loudly enough to be overheard by others, "What if I told you
-- just as an example -- that there's a bomb on this plane and it will go off
when I make a call from my cell phone." It may be an idle jest, but anyone who
heard such a comment would be foolish not to notify security.
I was advised
by those legal experts and cyber crime specialists to post a notice in my
"AdLand Town Crier" thread to
call attention to all AdLanders about potential risks to their credit card and
bank accounts and to offer the advice from the legal experts and cyber crime
specialists that I consulted on how anyone can protect his or her identity,
credit card, and bank accounts. Accordingly, on Jan. 25, 2009, I posted a new
thread on my forum,
"From
Adland Town Crier -- Notification of A Veiled Threat on AdLandpro --
What To Do If You Feel That Your ID, Credit Cards and Bank Accounts May
Be Compromised." http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/thread/1189404.aspx
The purpose of
my Town Crier thread was to call attention to all AdLanders about potential
risks to their credit card and bank accounts and to offer the advice from legal
experts and cyber crime specialists that I consulted on how anyone can protect
his or her identity, credit card, and bank accounts. The advice is appropriate
for anyone anywhere who feels that the security of their identity or credit card
and bank accounts may be at risk. It is not just specific to what you wrote on
my AdLand thread. The advice includes providing information on possible threats
to law enforcement authorities, and I followed that advice myself as any
sensible and prudent person would do. This should not be a concern to you, as I
did not report a crime but a possible veiled threat. All that means is that law
enforcement authorities such as the U.S. Federal Trade Commission will check to
see whether you have ever, in the past, engaged in identity theft,
and will keep a watchful eye just
in case you do in the future.
The idea here is prevention, not
prosecution for a crime not yet committed. If you have never been guilty of
identity theft and have no intent to do so, then you have nothing to be worried
about.
I would have
expected, however, that if you had not meant what you wrote in the way the legal
experts and cyber crime specialists I consulted said you may have been implying,
that you say so. Why did you not immediately say, whether on your forum or on
mine, something such as, "You misunderstood me. That is not what I meant. I do
not have access to anyone's credit card information. I did not intend to suggest
I had the ability to access anyone's accounts. I apologize for wording my post
in a way that people construed as a possible threat. It was entirely
unintentional."
To this day,
you have never apologized for your words or retracted them or even said you were
misunderstood. You never said anything to assuage the fears of those who felt
threatened by what you wrote. You did finally proclaim, on February 15, 2009,
that you are not an e-Banking scammer, but then I never said or implied that you
were.
If you
had been careful with your words in your post,
there would not have been a Town Crier thread to warn the members of AdLand how
to protect themselves if they felt threatened by your words. If you had
apologized and recanted or explained that you were misunderstood, rather than
launching a tirade against me, the issue may have been quickly resolved.
Instead, you have seemed determined to create as much animosity toward me among
AdLand members as possible. You have honestly not seemed concerned about your
own reputation as you claim, but have demonstrated what comes across as a
"Gotcha" attitude, gleefully latching onto what you saw as an opportunity to
accuse me of something, and you have accused me of saying things I did not say.
The other
thing you accuse me of repeatedly in your "Georgios vs. JoAnne" thread is saying
that it was you who reported my threads to AdLand administration. That
accusation is total nonsense. I never said it, I never thought it, I never
suspected you, I never implied that it was you who did so, I never even brought
up the subject (it was brought up by someone else's post on my thread), and
moreover, I really don't care one way or the other who reported my threads to
AdLand administration. As far as I am concerned, that is simply no big deal. So
for you to go on and on about how I blamed you for doing that is ludicrous. It
is such a non-issue!
Interestingly,
one of your friends, who's AdLand identity is Patricia B.,
made a post on your thread on Monday, Feb. 16, 2009, acknowledging that it was
she who reported my threads to AdLand administration. Apparently you don't want
anyone to know that because you don't want the issue to go away. You want to go
right on blaming me for blaming you. So you promptly deleted her post! That
would seem to indicate that your agenda has been not to protect your
reputation but to damage mine.
You have now
threatened me with a frivolous lawsuit, or, as you put it, juridical action,
based on "evidence" that consists of your misinterpretation of your own on-line
virtual opinion poll which, I understand, had all of 31 respondents. In the
poll, you stated that I had reported you "as an e-banking scammer and
untrustful," which is not true in the first place but your statement was
obviously intended to bias the poll results. Then you asked whether people
would, therefore, believe or not believe that you were an e-banking scammer,
your intent being to provide "evidence" of your damaged reputation. In your
faulty analysis of the results, you stated, in part, "51,6%
(16/31 of the voters) received the information as JoAnne's purpose
was to expose me for being an e-banking scammer."
(Emphasis added.)
Yet none of your four questions
asked respondents anything about what they thought my purpose was.That was a deliberate twisting of the poll results in an attempt to make the data better serve your purpose.
I don't know
whether you are serious about actually bringing legal action, or bluffing, any
more than I knew whether you were serious or bluffing about your having access
to people's banking account information. If you are serious, you are welcome to
try, but you will be wasting your time and money. If your reputation has been in
any way damaged, it was not by anything I said but by
your own words
in your post on my "Town
Crier" thread on Sunday, January 10, 2009, words which you still have refused to
retract. No judge in any civilized country would give the time of day to a
lawsuit as totally lacking in merit as you are contemplating.
Second,
Georgios, you have stated on your forum that you want my suggestions on how this
dispute between us can be resolved. In the interest of bringing this conflict to
an end and restoring peace on AdLand, and for the overall good of the AdLand
community, I would like to make the following suggestions:
You will
post on your "Georgios vs. JoAnne" thread and also on my new thread,
"From AdLand Town Crier -- Proposal to
Resolve the Conflict between Georgios Paraskevopoulos and JoAnne Green"
an apology, not to me but to Evelyn and Amanda and all AdLanders, for what
you said to Evelyn and Amanda in your post on my "Town Crier" thread on
Sunday, January 10, 2009.
In your
apology, you will state clearly and without equivocation something on the
order of the following:
"My words were misunderstood. I do not have access to anyone's credit card
information. I did not intend to suggest I had the ability to access
anyone's accounts. I apologize for wording my post in a way that people
construed as a possible threat. It was entirely unintentional."
Include
also a statement something on the following order:
"I now realize that JoAnne did
not deliberately malign and defame me. I understand now how what I wrote may
have easily been misunderstood, and I realize that JoAnne's only intent was
to look out for her friends and other members of AdLand."
I will then
respond to you by posting an acceptance of your apology on the behalf of my
friends.
Third,
to demonstrate good will and honor for a truce among involved parties, both this
post and your apology, as outlined above, as well as all previous posts by both
of us pertaining to this conflict
will remain online for 15 days.
During that time, neither of us will make any further posts criticizing the
other or making any reference to past disputes. Each of us will request that no
one will make any comments on our threads to try to stir up or resurrect the
controversy that we are attempting to resolve. If anyone does make such posts on
any of your forum threads or my forum threads, we will each immediately delete
those posts as soon as we become aware of them.
At
the end of the
15-day period,
you will delete all posts on any thread in your forums made by you or anyone
else that make any reference to the "e-banking scammer" controversy. I will
then, within 24 hours, delete your January 10, 2009, post on my "Town Crier"
thread making reference to e-banking and passwords, and I also will delete all
other subsequent posts on any of my threads, whether made by me or anyone else,
making reference to you or a veiled threat by you.
We will both
agree to put this issue behind us and not bring it up again, either directly or
by inference, and we agree that going forward we will not engage in
name calling, tirades or personal
attacks against each other, either in person or by proxy.
If any of
these conditions is not met, it will be considered a violation of the truce.
This present
post and my acceptance of your apology will be my last and final words on this
controversy, providing that you accept and comply with the terms of this
proposal and do not violate the truce.
I hope you
accept these terms so that we can put this controversy behind us, restore some
civility to AdLand and move on.
*** SPECIAL
NOTE TO All READERS OF THIS THREAD:
In
order to resolve this conflict
between Georgios
Paraskevopoulos and JoAnne Green,
the very next post of this thread is
reserved for Georgios
Paraskevopoulos to say
whether or not he accept
JoAnne Green's proposal to
resolve the conflict.
I am asking all other members of AdLand to please
restrain from posting your
comments until Georgios has given his response here. If you do post a comment
before Georgios has had a chance to respond, your post will be deleted.
After Georgios
has posted his response, please read all related material carefully before you
make your comments. Also, before posting any comments, please give thoughtful
consideration to whether or not what you say will stir up or resurrect the
controversy that we are attempting to resolve. If you aim to add fuel to the
controversy, or if you continue to argue the points that we are now laying to
rest, your post will be deleted. Also, please stay on topic and do not bring in
any unrelated issues.
You all are requested to maintain a polite and
professional tone in your comments. No name calling. No spewing hatred or
tirades.
Please note
that all of my regular Rules of Posting that apply to all of the threads of my
forum apply also to this particular thread. Those Rules can be found at the
following link: http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/thread/1179261.aspx Thank you for your cooperation.***
Sincerely,
osted: 2009-02-18 01:53 AM
To Georgios
Paraskevopoulos and All AdLanders:
There are
three parts in this message:
(1) my response to Georgios
Paraskevopoulos' remarks toward me in his "Georgios vs. JoAnne" thread,
(2)
a proposal how to resolve the conflict, and
(3)
proposed actions to demonstrate good will and honor for a truce among involved
parties.
First,
I want to respond to Georgios Paraskevopoulos' statements which he has made in
his "Georgios vs. JoAnne" thread,
http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/1197189/ShowThread.aspx, on
February 8, 9 & 15, 2009.
Georgios:
In your thread you have claimed repeatedly that I accused you of being an
e-banking scammer. I did not. This issue centers on your post on Sunday, January
10, 2009, on my Town Crier thread, which you addressed to two AdLand members
that had posted on my forum with whom you had a dispute. For reference I will
start with repeating your post below. You wrote:
"Now
about pointing out a person. I used your name and that is to point out
somebody. You say: I did not use any names. The result is same: My
example to you. In a thread I have all information about all your e-banking
cards (they may be empty lol) and I have there also usernames and passwords.
I do not tell who the owners is but somewhere in a forum I write go to LINK
X there are lots of money to get. Of course if the see your e-cards they
have your name and if there is a picture identified. I did not use any
name but I gave the information where to. Be sure all your e-banking
accounts would be empty in few seconds and the all the visitors would know
who you are. So that is not an argument for not pointing out a person."
Whatever you may have intended that to mean, it is easy to read as you saying
that you have access to people's e-banking card user names and passwords and the
ability to empty those accounts if you chose to do so, and that you were trying
put a scare into people that you disagreed with. Because I saw that possible
intent in your words, I consulted with some legal experts and cyber crime
specialists to get their opinion. They confirmed that what you wrote could,
indeed, be a veiled threat, that it should not be taken lightly, and that I and
those to whom your post was addressed, as well as anyone else on AdLand who
might feel threatened, would be well-advised to take certain steps to protect
themselves from possible identity theft. This is not saying you had actually
committed internet identity theft but that what you said could be taken as a
threat or an intimidation, whether or not you had the ability or the intent to
carry it out.
It is not much different from someone boarding a flight at an airport telling
fellow passengers, loudly enough to be overheard by others, "What if I told you
-- just as an example -- that there's a bomb on this plane and it will go off
when I make a call from my cell phone." It may be an idle jest, but anyone who
heard such a comment would be foolish not to notify security.
I was advised
by those legal experts and cyber crime specialists to post a notice in my
"AdLand Town Crier" thread to
call attention to all AdLanders about potential risks to their credit card and
bank accounts and to offer the advice from the legal experts and cyber crime
specialists that I consulted on how anyone can protect his or her identity,
credit card, and bank accounts. Accordingly, on Jan. 25, 2009, I posted a new
thread on my forum,
"From
Adland Town Crier -- Notification of A Veiled Threat on AdLandpro --
What To Do If You Feel That Your ID, Credit Cards and Bank Accounts May
Be Compromised." http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/thread/1189404.aspx
The purpose of
my Town Crier thread was to call attention to all AdLanders about potential
risks to their credit card and bank accounts and to offer the advice from legal
experts and cyber crime specialists that I consulted on how anyone can protect
his or her identity, credit card, and bank accounts. The advice is appropriate
for anyone anywhere who feels that the security of their identity or credit card
and bank accounts may be at risk. It is not just specific to what you wrote on
my AdLand thread. The advice includes providing information on possible threats
to law enforcement authorities, and I followed that advice myself as any
sensible and prudent person would do. This should not be a concern to you, as I
did not report a crime but a possible veiled threat. All that means is that law
enforcement authorities such as the U.S. Federal Trade Commission will check to
see whether you have ever, in the past, engaged in identity theft,
and will keep a watchful eye just
in case you do in the future.
The idea here is prevention, not
prosecution for a crime not yet committed. If you have never been guilty of
identity theft and have no intent to do so, then you have nothing to be worried
about.
I would have
expected, however, that if you had not meant what you wrote in the way the legal
experts and cyber crime specialists I consulted said you may have been implying,
that you say so. Why did you not immediately say, whether on your forum or on
mine, something such as, "You misunderstood me. That is not what I meant. I do
not have access to anyone's credit card information. I did not intend to suggest
I had the ability to access anyone's accounts. I apologize for wording my post
in a way that people construed as a possible threat. It was entirely
unintentional."
To this day,
you have never apologized for your words or retracted them or even said you were
misunderstood. You never said anything to assuage the fears of those who felt
threatened by what you wrote. You did finally proclaim, on February 15, 2009,
that you are not an e-Banking scammer, but then I never said or implied that you
were.
If you
had been careful with your words in your post,
there would not have been a Town Crier thread to warn the members of AdLand how
to protect themselves if they felt threatened by your words. If you had
apologized and recanted or explained that you were misunderstood, rather than
launching a tirade against me, the issue may have been quickly resolved.
Instead, you have seemed determined to create as much animosity toward me among
AdLand members as possible. You have honestly not seemed concerned about your
own reputation as you claim, but have demonstrated what comes across as a
"Gotcha" attitude, gleefully latching onto what you saw as an opportunity to
accuse me of something, and you have accused me of saying things I did not say.
The other
thing you accuse me of repeatedly in your "Georgios vs. JoAnne" thread is saying
that it was you who reported my threads to AdLand administration. That
accusation is total nonsense. I never said it, I never thought it, I never
suspected you, I never implied that it was you who did so, I never even brought
up the subject (it was brought up by someone else's post on my thread), and
moreover, I really don't care one way or the other who reported my threads to
AdLand administration. As far as I am concerned, that is simply no big deal. So
for you to go on and on about how I blamed you for doing that is ludicrous. It
is such a non-issue!
Interestingly,
one of your friends, who's AdLand identity is Patricia B.,
made a post on your thread on Monday, Feb. 16, 2009, acknowledging that it was
she who reported my threads to AdLand administration. Apparently you don't want
anyone to know that because you don't want the issue to go away. You want to go
right on blaming me for blaming you. So you promptly deleted her post! That
would seem to indicate that your agenda has been not to protect your
reputation but to damage mine.
You have now
threatened me with a frivolous lawsuit, or, as you put it, juridical action,
based on "evidence" that consists of your misinterpretation of your own on-line
virtual opinion poll which, I understand, had all of 31 respondents. In the
poll, you stated that I had reported you "as an e-banking scammer and
untrustful," which is not true in the first place but your statement was
obviously intended to bias the poll results. Then you asked whether people
would, therefore, believe or not believe that you were an e-banking scammer,
your intent being to provide "evidence" of your damaged reputation. In your
faulty analysis of the results, you stated, in part, "51,6%
(16/31 of the voters) received the information as JoAnne's purpose
was to expose me for being an e-banking scammer."
(Emphasis added.)
Yet none of your four questions
asked respondents anything about what they thought my purpose was.That was a deliberate twisting of the poll results in an attempt to make the data better serve your purpose.
I don't know
whether you are serious about actually bringing legal action, or bluffing, any
more than I knew whether you were serious or bluffing about your having access
to people's banking account information. If you are serious, you are welcome to
try, but you will be wasting your time and money. If your reputation has been in
any way damaged, it was not by anything I said but by
your own words
in your post on my "Town
Crier" thread on Sunday, January 10, 2009, words which you still have refused to
retract. No judge in any civilized country would give the time of day to a
lawsuit as totally lacking in merit as you are contemplating.
Second,
Georgios, you have stated on your forum that you want my suggestions on how this
dispute between us can be resolved. In the interest of bringing this conflict to
an end and restoring peace on AdLand, and for the overall good of the AdLand
community, I would like to make the following suggestions:
You will
post on your "Georgios vs. JoAnne" thread and also on my new thread,
"From AdLand Town Crier -- Proposal to
Resolve the Conflict between Georgios Paraskevopoulos and JoAnne Green"
an apology, not to me but to Evelyn and Amanda and all AdLanders, for what
you said to Evelyn and Amanda in your post on my "Town Crier" thread on
Sunday, January 10, 2009.
In your
apology, you will state clearly and without equivocation something on the
order of the following:
"My words were misunderstood. I do not have access to anyone's credit card
information. I did not intend to suggest I had the ability to access
anyone's accounts. I apologize for wording my post in a way that people
construed as a possible threat. It was entirely unintentional."
Include
also a statement something on the following order:
"I now realize that JoAnne did
not deliberately malign and defame me. I understand now how what I wrote may
have easily been misunderstood, and I realize that JoAnne's only intent was
to look out for her friends and other members of AdLand."
I will then
respond to you by posting an acceptance of your apology on the behalf of my
friends.
Third,
to demonstrate good will and honor for a truce among involved parties, both this
post and your apology, as outlined above, as well as all previous posts by both
of us pertaining to this conflict
will remain online for 15 days.
During that time, neither of us will make any further posts criticizing the
other or making any reference to past disputes. Each of us will request that no
one will make any comments on our threads to try to stir up or resurrect the
controversy that we are attempting to resolve. If anyone does make such posts on
any of your forum threads or my forum threads, we will each immediately delete
those posts as soon as we become aware of them.
At
the end of the
15-day period,
you will delete all posts on any thread in your forums made by you or anyone
else that make any reference to the "e-banking scammer" controversy. I will
then, within 24 hours, delete your January 10, 2009, post on my "Town Crier"
thread making reference to e-banking and passwords, and I also will delete all
other subsequent posts on any of my threads, whether made by me or anyone else,
making reference to you or a veiled threat by you.
We will both
agree to put this issue behind us and not bring it up again, either directly or
by inference, and we agree that going forward we will not engage in
name calling, tirades or personal
attacks against each other, either in person or by proxy.
If any of
these conditions is not met, it will be considered a violation of the truce.
This present
post and my acceptance of your apology will be my last and final words on this
controversy, providing that you accept and comply with the terms of this
proposal and do not violate the truce.
I hope you
accept these terms so that we can put this controversy behind us, restore some
civility to AdLand and move on.
*** SPECIAL
NOTE TO All READERS OF THIS THREAD:
In
order to resolve this conflict
between Georgios
Paraskevopoulos and JoAnne Green,
the very next post of this thread is
reserved for Georgios
Paraskevopoulos to say
whether or not he accept
JoAnne Green's proposal to
resolve the conflict.
I am asking all other members of AdLand to please
restrain from posting your
comments until Georgios has given his response here. If you do post a comment
before Georgios has had a chance to respond, your post will be deleted.
After Georgios
has posted his response, please read all related material carefully before you
make your comments. Also, before posting any comments, please give thoughtful
consideration to whether or not what you say will stir up or resurrect the
controversy that we are attempting to resolve. If you aim to add fuel to the
controversy, or if you continue to argue the points that we are now laying to
rest, your post will be deleted. Also, please stay on topic and do not bring in
any unrelated issues.
You all are requested to maintain a polite and
professional tone in your comments. No name calling. No spewing hatred or
tirades.
Please note
that all of my regular Rules of Posting that apply to all of the threads of my
forum apply also to this particular thread. Those Rules can be found at the
following link: http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/thread/1179261.aspx Thank you for your cooperation.***
Sincerely,
Your Adland Town Crier,
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