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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
5/9/2012 5:04:00 AM
Hi Peter,
I believe we have told this story time and again and yes Daniel Greenfield's article is like having Deju Vu. I don't believe that people don't know the facts. I believe they don't care about facts we both know that every thing you had said is true. So, do many others . the bottom line is the Jordanians don't want the Palestinian of Israel either. They know that their leaders are radical Muslim terrorist wanting to take over not only Israel but the rest of the world and set up Sharia law . People are either naive or stupid . At this point it might just be willful ignorance either way. Israel will always be the scape goat . The Palestinians are claiming something they never owned and the world just seems to want to fiddle while Israel burns , similar to exactly what Nero did .. ! Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem !
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Hello Friends,

I have to admit that after reading Daniel Greenfield's article I had a sense of Deja Vu. It wasn't a happy sensation cos it reminded me of my strong beliefs that there is no real chance of peace between Israel and the so called Palestinians.

Twenty years ago it was unheard of in the nationalist groups in Israel to consider or to even talk about peace and ceding Israeli territories for the sake of peace. We believed (and still do) that all of Israel belongs to the Jewish people and the State of Israel and somehow we lost our way and excepted a 2 state solution. It was unheard of cause the fact of the matter is that they already have a homeland of their own a country called Jordan. I know it's not popular or considered politically correct to mention this but the majority of Jordanian citizens are Palestinians.

It seems as we get older we tend to forget certain basic facts and truisms and in a way submit to world opinion rather then sticking to our convictions and belief structure. The basics are that there never was a Palestinian people and they never had claims on the land of Israel. The fact is that the majority were nomads and Bedouin and roamed large areas in the Middle East and some decided to stay in one place. The fact is that the fabricated name Palestinian is very recent and has no historic sources. The fact is that Palestine is the name given to the region during the Roman conquest of Israel. There are many additional facts I could mention and will if some are interested in hearing them. Suffice to say that these facts are as important now as they ever were and should be common knowledge to all purporting to give their opinions on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. The truth is that when the majority of the so called mavens talk about the conflict they either ignore history and facts and instead use the disinformation and misinformation that is so popular but can easily be disproved in many different ways.

So, when I read Daniel's article titled "Israel's Peace disease" it reminded me once again how futile and impossible peace talks are especially when the PA use every excuse under the sun not to negotiate peace. As much as I sincerely want peace for the sake of my children and grand children it's a pipe dream that will never happen and the situation won't be any different once we recognize that then it is today living in a limbo of trying to get them to the table to talk peace.

The article is brutally honest and well worth reading. There is no propaganda here but facts and truths that have to be recognized.

Shalom,

Peter



Israel's Peace Disease

Posted: 07 May 2012 07:35 PM PDT

For the last twenty years Israel has been swept into an obsession with few parallels except to the Dutch Tulip economy. Except instead of tulips, its commodity of choice is an even more insubstantial thing, the faint promise of peace.

Peace fever is the disease consuming Israel as surely as the Black Death took Europe. If the Dutch traded fortunes for flowers, the Israelis have traded away most of their territory for worthless pieces of paper that last about as long as tulips do. Mostly, like Madoff's investments, after they wither and die it turns out that they were never worth anything to begin with.

Take the Camp David Accords, greeted with insane romantic fervor in Jerusalem and European capitals, but resented and despised by Egyptians because they were a reminder of how their army had failed to destroy Israel. It was a worthless accord that gave Egypt a vast amount of territory in exchange for maintaining a status quo that it had no choice but to maintain after losing multiple wars. With the fall of Mubarak, it was revealed that the Accords were never more than moonbeams and fairy dust. A puff of Arab Spring and they are gone.

Camp David was an illusion, but the Oslo Accords are a delusion. A tulip economy where Israel doles out fortunes in money, land and power in exchange for the promise of peace and an end to the violence... tomorrow, always tomorrow. The most devastating impact of the delusion isn't on the cemeteries where children lie side by side with soldiers, on the broken homes and synagogues of Gaza, or on the tightening circle of terror around Jerusalem. As with all delusions, its most devastating impact is on the mind.

The conflict has formed into two camps. The Muslims are pro-Palestine. The Jews are pro-Peace, which means they are both pro-Palestine and pro-Israel. They are for Israel and for the terrorists trying to destroy Israel. What does being pro-Peace actually mean? It means believing above all else that peace is possible and that it will come riding in on a white donkey in our time, if we just want it badly enough.

The last twenty years have been hard on the illusion of peace. As the violence goes on year after year, it has become necessary to assign blame somewhere. There are the Dershowitzes who say that Israel wants peace; but that it lacks an amenable peace partner. There are the Friedmans who say that both sides lack leaders who want peace. Then there are the Beinarts who blame Israel for not seizing the opportunity to make peace.

Only one of those positions is logically supportable within the context of the peace delusion. If Israel lacks a peace partner, then why not abandon the whole peace process, reclaim the territory, expel the terrorists and restore order? If both Israel and the Palestinian Authority are hopeless, then what is there to negotiate when neither party wants peace? Blaming Israel is the only internally consistent position for a peace advocate because it avoids coming to grips with the futility of negotiating with terrorists.

The only way to sustain the peace delusion is by blaming Israel. And that very act concedes the hopelessness of the Palestinian Authority and the farce of negotiating with it. Why blame Israel? Because Israel is democratic, it has a vibrant opposition, it is peaceloving, it is capable of change. Israel is everything that the people it is trying to make peace with aren't.

Blaming the terrorists opens up a hopeless catalog of violence, corruption, incitement and madness. There is no way to catalog all that and still honestly go on believing that peace is possible. To browse MEMRI or PalWatch is to confront the tragedy of life and let the illusions and delusions die as all folly does when exposed to the light. The only way to keep the lie of peace alive is by blaming Israel.

The peace disease infects its victims with self-hatred as the only way to keep the pathogen alive. And the disease has no end. There was a time when Arafat was the guest of honor among peaceniks; now it's Hamas. Peter Beinart is busy explaining that Hamas really isn't that bad once you get to know them. Forget the genocidal Hamas charter, the wunderkind of the anti-Israel peace camp says, just pay attention to a few selected excerpts from their interviews with the foreign press.

And why not? It's what the peace camp did with Arafat and that worked out great. Why not do it with Hamas? What's the worst that could happen?

The internal logic of the disease is inescapably consistent. We had to believe in Arafat in order to believe in peace. Now that our peace partners have expressed a preference for Hamas over Fatah, we have to believe in Hamas, in order to believe in peace. To believe in peace we have to believe in a peace partner to have peace. We have to believe that there is hope for peace with every terrorist, that the lack of peace is our fault-- not theirs.

The one thing that sufferers of the peace disease have to believe above all else in order to remain consistent is that Israel is at fault. Any deviation from that is an inconsistency. That inconsistency is why the pro-Peace, pro-Israel side can always win on the facts, while still losing the debate. They can lay out their case against Fatah and Hamas in all its glorious detail, the incontestable facts, the quotes and the documentation, and then they finish with an absurdity that unmakes their position. Israel still wants peace. Yet, if half of what they say is true, then who is there to have peace with?

The other side is not bogged down by such contradictions. Their consistent narrative is that Israel has repeatedly avoided sincerely making peace. Whatever Israel has done, does or will do is not enough. It can never be enough, because if it were enough, there would be peace. And there is nothing that the terrorist populations can do that is too horrifying, too repugnant or too great a breach of faith. If they trade in Fatah for Hamas, then the Beinarts will dutifully pop up to introduce us to the newly peaceful Hamas and the same old intractable Israel.

Why then should the Palestinian Arabs make peace with the Jewish ogre and its checkpoints and walls, its bomb-sniffing dogs, law of return and settlements? They shouldn't is the implication. The terrorists have every right not to want peace with us; it is we who must prove our good faith and our humanity. It is we who must strive to prove ourselves worthy of even sitting across a negotiating table with them.

Sick? Demented? Twisted? All of the above, but also completely logical. If you are going to be delusional, then it is best to be consistently delusional. Why be neurotic, when you can be flat out insane? Why settle for a second rate phobia when you can go for full on schizophrenia? Hope and faith often dance close to the level of madness. Sustaining misdirected hope in the face of reality requires a great deal of faith or delusion.

Delusional does not mean stupid. Highly intelligent people are more likely to be deluded because they have a greater capacity for imagining and then rationalizing the delusion. A stupid person would assume that being shot at marks the end of peace negotiations. It takes a highly intelligent person to rationalize the shots as not an attack on him, but on the negotiations, which are the only way to stop the cycle of violence.

Some financial observers have hypothesized that the problem with our economy is that it is run by highly intelligent people. They may have a point. Stupid people can lose money, but they can't create imaginary money. And they are always waiting for the police to show up at their door with a warrant. Highly intelligent people though can create entire tiers of imaginary value and trade them back and forth in a glorious tulip economy, which everyone believes in, until unaccountably the whole thing evaporates because it was never there.

Israel's peace economy is the work of highly intelligent people trading real world items for an imaginary currency that they have turned into their national existence. Their burning conviction is that the only reason the imaginary currency has not realized its full value is because they have greedily not given up enough real world items to make the imaginary currency appreciate in value.

It's not a mental illness unique to Israel or to Jews. It is how cons work. Once you've been conned, you either wise up and move on, or you protect your sunk cost, your self-esteem and your credibility by throwing in more good money after bad. The only way to keep justifying this destructive behavior is by believing that the con artists are legitimate, that there is a system, and that you just need to put in more money to get back ten times what you put in.

I want peace. I also want to cure all diseases, and universal happiness and immortality for all. The difference between me and virtually every Jewish communal leader is that I know that I can't have those things because they don't exist. And if they did, I couldn't get them by giving money and land to a bunch of grubby socialist and Islamist militias.

In a time of war, modern people base their goodness on wanting peace, because doing so allows them to believe that they are good people, not bloodthirsty monsters cavorting on a throne of skulls. And to go on believing that, they cannot refuse any offer of peace; otherwise, they would be choosing war over peace. Then they would be bloodthirsty monsters resting their feet on a giant pile of corpses. Instead they show themselves to be idiots with no sales resistance and no common sense.

If a war is worth fighting, then it is worth fighting until the conditions that make that war necessary no longer exist. The minimal condition of any war is the willingness of the other side to stop fighting. If this condition is not met, then nothing else matters. Not peace doves or postmodern neurosis. It is not a matter of opinion at that stage, but a matter of fact, that the war will go on. It will go on regardless of what you do because you are not in control of the conflict.

To believe that you will have something because it is an absolute good and that to strive for it is so moral that the failure to do so is immoral regardless of its feasibility, is magical thinking. It is every bit as delusional as waiting for a magic fish to swim up and grant you three wishes. And once you base your identity on a commitment to an absolute good that cannot be achieved except through your own destruction, then you have committed suicide.

That is Israel's peace disease in a nutshell. It is not unique to Israel. It can be found in America and Europe. It can be found anywhere modern enlightened people fail to come to grip with the necessity of violence in the affairs of men and escape into illusion and delusion instead. It is a fatal disease. It does not kill quickly or cleanly, it is an agonizing fevered death filled with hallucinations, peace doves circling the ceiling, amputation after amputation, bloody limbs piled on the altar of peace that burns and burns until everything is consumed and only the ashes remain.


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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
5/18/2012 12:23:44 AM

'Battleship' Directer Tells Interviewer To Join IDF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DRa4AoQYgV4


Published on May 8, 2012 by

In this rare (by its style) interview on channel 10, Peter Berg refers to the Israeli-Iranian conflict and humiliates the reporter for shirking the service in IDF.
-That's the way dodgers should be treated!!!! !!!גיוס לכוווולם

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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
5/18/2012 12:26:48 AM
I should have warned you the language is graphic.
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'Battleship' Directer Tells Interviewer To Join IDF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DRa4AoQYgV4


Published on May 8, 2012 by

In this rare (by its style) interview on channel 10, Peter Berg refers to the Israeli-Iranian conflict and humiliates the reporter for shirking the service in IDF.
-That's the way dodgers should be treated!!!! !!!גיוס לכוווולם

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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
5/19/2012 4:04:57 PM
Hi Jim,

Yes, there are some 'artists' that didn't serve in the IDF and they are well known and aren't respected all that much. Would you be surprised to know that they all are extreme lefties? :)

Shame on them and this Jason is a prime example of these parasites.

Shalom,

Peter

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I should have warned you the language is graphic.
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'Battleship' Directer Tells Interviewer To Join IDF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DRa4AoQYgV4


Published on May 8, 2012 by

In this rare (by its style) interview on channel 10, Peter Berg refers to the Israeli-Iranian conflict and humiliates the reporter for shirking the service in IDF.
-That's the way dodgers should be treated!!!! !!!גיוס לכוווולם

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RE: HSIG- Dr. Wafa Sultan Exposes Islamic Values With Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad
5/19/2012 4:09:27 PM
Hello Friends,

Below you'll find a link to an excellent video confrontation between Dr. Wafa Sultan an ex muslim and Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad. Dr. Wafa Sultan is well known for her ability to confront the muslim supremacists and get them to tell the truth about their vile beliefs. In this video the Sheikh does just that. There is no doubt where he stands and how islam regards all us infidels and 'dhimmis'.

I've said many times that you must listen to what they say cos they mean every word and according to them if we don't submit and accept their beliefs they are bound as muslims to go to war with us and kill us.

Watch closely what he says about "equality", "rights", "peace" and "war". Note when he refers to "dhimmi" status (second class citizenship) and "coexistence".

This video is in arabic and the translation is excellent. Wafa Sultan once again did a remarkable job getting the truth out of him and truth be told he did it willingly. Listen and be warned cos that is what they are working for in America and throughout the western world.

This video is explosive and to be perfectly honest I haven't heard anyone express the truth about islam as Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad does in his exchange with Wafa Sultan. It is definitely a must watch and more importantly understand exactly where us infidels stand in their eyes, minds and beliefs.

Go here to watch the video or click on the picture below
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Shalom,

Peter

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