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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
1/25/2012 7:20:25 PM
Hi Helen,

I actually meant if you're subscribed to their news letter and from your response I understand you are.

Pastor Hagee and the CUFI members and subscribers are great supporters of Israel. His organization does extremely important work and they are much appreciated here in Israel.

He visits Israel often and has many CUFI members on the trips with him.

Shalom,

Peter

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Hi Peter

No, I don't think I am a member unless subscribing to their newsletter makes me a member. I don't give financial support to them ...because right now my finances are almost zero. I just get their newsletter.

Helen



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Hi Helen,

Thanks for the your continued support of Israel and its people. It's much appreciated.

Just a question, are you a member of CUFI (Christians United For Israel)?

Shalom,

Peter

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The LORD Promises to Bless Jerusalem


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Again the word of the LORD Almighty came to me. 2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: “I am very jealous for Zion; I am burning with jealousy for her.”

3 This is what the LORD says: “I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the City of Truth, and the mountain of the LORD Almighty will be called the Holy Mountain.”

4 This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Once again men and women of ripe old age will sit in the streets of Jerusalem, each with cane in hand because of his age. 5 The city streets will be filled with boys and girls playing there.”

6 This is what the LORD Almighty says: “It may seem marvelous to the remnant of this people at that time, but will it seem marvelous to me?” declares the LORD Almighty.

7 This is what the LORD Almighty says: “I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. 8 I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God.” Zechariah 8:1-8



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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
1/25/2012 11:22:24 PM


Hi everyone

I think this video tells an important story.

Everyone seems so quick to blame Israel for everything
without investigating the other side of the story. I know
Israel is not perfect but they are working for peace which
is not what Hamas and radical Muslims are doing. Israel
WANTS peace.


Israel extends the hand of peace and friendship to all
Muslims. Israel medically
treats Palestinians, even Hamas
soldiers, without charge in their hospitals. Israel takes
truckloads of food to the Palestinian people. What are the
Palestinians doing??? They are firing rockets at civilian
Israelis and have killed over 3000 Israeli people with rockets
since about 2005.

Dalry Jones, the lady in this video, is a philanthropist from
Australia (Benevole Australienne). I got the impression she
came to see the Palestinians to verify how badly they were
being treated by the Israelis. Because of the poor quality of
this video, it took me some time just to figure out what she
was saying.

I did figure it out and I am providing a translation here.

Though posted in 2008, things have not changed in Israel and
the Palestinian territories.


If you can print this translation, it will be easier to follow along.
The translation begins below the video.


Just in case you didn't know, this is how you print only the part
you want printed.....

Before you start the Print process, highlight the part you wish
to print. Then start the Print process. When you get to the Print
window, find the word, "Selection". Click on the little round
circle in front of the word. When you see a black dot in the center
of the little round circle, you have chosen "Selection". Now you
click on Print to print the instructions. It should have printed only
the part that you highlighted.

Muslim Children Trained to KILL ! ??
Translation begins here....

Dalry Jones: When I arrived in Jennine, I knew nothing
about anything.

Dalry: Then began a period of what I came to think of as
show-and-tell where people were shown things and told
about things. What was the showing and what was the
telling was focused on the victimization of the Palestinian
people.

Dalry: The first thing we were shown were photographs of
men's bodies that appeared to have been gouged and
pitted and torn.

Dalry: And we were told this is from torture from the Israelis
but later in the old city, a boy got blown up and I was standing
at the head of the table when they were trying to clean him.

Dalry: (she's crying) He had the same (injuries?) as the people
in the photographs. He was torn. He died that night. (She
realizes that the men in the photograph were not tortured by
the Israelis but the injuries were the same as those made by
suicide bombs used by the Palestinians.)

Dalry: And I began to understand what the medical people
were doing with the activists.

Palestinian girls: No, I do not live at the house. My uncle,
Imad, became a martyr and he is in paradise.

Q: Where is your uncle?

Little Palestinian girl: In paradise. Where? In paradise.

Dalry: It was one of the (man?) school teachers. He had this
little boy with him and we were all walking along. He said all
the children are involved.

Dalry: I'm sorry (she's crying). Oh, that's an awful thing... All
the boys from 10 to 16 are involved; they are fighters.

Dalry: I said, "But, what about their schooling?"

Dalry: And he said, "When they are in school they're students;
when they are fighting, they are fighters.

Note:
I tried to get someone to translate what the children
were saying but to no avail. I used Google Translate
(Thanks to BJ) to do the translation for me. Some may
not be too clear but I think you will get the meaning.

Note: I am including the French words spoken; if anyone
can giv me a better translation,
I would appreciate it.
Please send me the translation to ► zhebee@yahoo.com



Palestinian boy with a checkered jacket or shirt: Pour montrer
comment nos combattants ont resiste comme les ingenieurs
Mhammad Sawaymih et Abby Jandal.

Translation: To show how our combatants have resisted like engineers,
Mhammad Sawaymih and Abby Jandal.

Q: Qu' est-ce qu'ils ont fait? Translation: What did they do?

Boy with white checkered shirt: Ils ont pose des pieges mortels,
des bombes sur les tanks et ils ont tue des Juifs
.

Translation: They installed deadly traps, placed bombs on tanks and
they have killed Jews.


Boy in blue jacket: On jetait des pierres sur les tanks...

Translation: They threw stones at the tanks

Boy in blue jacket: Les tanks voulaient nous empecheer
d'enterrernos martyrs... On a jete des pierres et les tanks sont
partis on est montes sur les tanks on y a mis les drapeaux
Palestinian and Irakien
.

Translation: The tanks
tried to prevent us from burying our
martyrs...
We threw stones at the tanks and mounted Palestinian
and Iraqi flags on the tanks.

Boy with white checkered shirt:
C'est un petit pays... mais on a des
ingenieurs qui fabricant des bombs et font sauter des tanks et
savent faire sauter les chaines.


Translation: It is a small country ... but we have engineers who
manufacturer bombs and blow up tanks and know how to skip
channels.



Boy with blue jacket: On veut pas la paix. On vent pas la paix. On
vent la querre pas la paix. On veut se venger des morts of Jenine.

Translation: We do not want peace. We don't talk peace. We want
(Querre?)
not peace. We want to avenge the deaths of Jenin.

Q: Est-ce que tu peux oublier les martyrs?

Translation: Can you forget the martyrs?

Boy with blue jacket: Comment on peut les oublier? On ne oublie
pas le
sang du martyr qui est avec Dieu.


Translation: How can we forget them?
We do not forget blood of
the martyr
who is with God.

Boy with blue jacket: On continuera a se battre. Jusqu'a ce
qu'on soit tous des martyrs.

Translation: We will continue to fight. Until we are all martyrs.

Man in red shirt: This is so beyond my mentality. I have 6
children myself and I'm warning them every time they cross the
street that I just cannot relate to it. I cannot
see how anyone,
any human being on the face of the earth can be proud of a child
that puts a bomb around his body, walks onto a bus and blows up
children and women ....to enter into heaven.

Young teen boy: J'espere que j'aurai un futur. J'espere que je
serai comme Sheikh Mahmood, c'est mon reve.

Translation: I hope
I will have a future. I hope I will be like Sheikh
Mahmood , this is my dream.

Q: Qu'a fait Sheikh Mahmood?

Translation: What has Sheikh Mahmood made (or done?)

Young teen boy: C'etait un expert en explosifs ... il a bombarde
des tanks et envoye des martyrs se faire sauter dans des bus.

Translation: (He) was an expert in explosives… he has bombarded
tanks and sent the martyrs to blow themselves up in buses.


Man ..Q: C'est ton seul reve, devenir un martyr?

Translation: It is your only dream, to become a martyr?

Young teen boy: Non pas seulement.

Translation: Not only.

Man ..Q: Alors c'est quoi?

Translation: Then it is what? (What else?)

Young teen boy: Mon seul reve ce est de voir... disparaitre Israel!

Translation: My only dream is to see ...Israel disappear.

Young teen boy: Je mets qui conque au defi de touver plus fou
sur la surface de la terre.

Translation: I challenge anyone to find crazier on the surface of
the earth
.

Medical worker: This place was for 7½ yrs not under
occupation.
It harboured, according not to Israelis but to
international organizations, 3½ tonnes of explosives but
not one swing, not one slide, not one playground for the
children and you ask yourself, "You have the money. Why
to use it just for hatred? Why to do that?" And then what
to use only the money. You use the humans, the children
to suicide. What kind of mess is that?

Dalry: It's the mythology! And the energy generated by
that
mythology, it's very powerful energy. And it's particularly
powerful because of the children. It's almost like virgin
sacrifice.

Israeli girl (teen): I don't think the Palestinians really want
peace with us. We gave them too many chances. They don't
want nothing. They don't want us here.

Dalry: They never had any other intentions except to eliminate
Israel.

End of translation

Helen



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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
1/26/2012 11:39:53 AM
Hi Helen,

This video is one of so many that show the disgusting brainwashing these children go through from almost the cradle. It also shows the different mindset they have as opposed to the Israelis who truly want peace.

Unfortunately it also shows Israel has no partner to sit down and negotiate with when as you can see from this video and so many others their main objective is to annihilate Israel and its people.

Shalom,

Peter

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Hi everyone

I think this video tells an important story.

Everyone seems so quick to blame Israel for everything
without investigating the other side of the story. I know
Israel is not perfect but they are working for peace which
is not what Hamas and radical Muslims are doing. Israel
WANTS peace.


Israel extends the hand of peace and friendship to all
Muslims. Israel medically
treats Palestinians, even Hamas
soldiers, without charge in their hospitals. Israel takes
truckloads of food to the Palestinian people. What are the
Palestinians doing??? They are firing rockets at civilian
Israelis and have killed over 3000 Israeli people with rockets
since about 2005.

Dalry Jones, the lady in this video, is a philanthropist from
Australia (Benevole Australienne). I got the impression she
came to see the Palestinians to verify how badly they were
being treated by the Israelis. Because of the poor quality of
this video, it took me some time just to figure out what she
was saying.

I did figure it out and I am providing a translation here.

Though posted in 2008, things have not changed in Israel and
the Palestinian territories.


If you can print this translation, it will be easier to follow along.
The translation begins below the video.


Just in case you didn't know, this is how you print only the part
you want printed.....

Before you start the Print process, highlight the part you wish
to print. Then start the Print process. When you get to the Print
window, find the word, "Selection". Click on the little round
circle in front of the word. When you see a black dot in the center
of the little round circle, you have chosen "Selection". Now you
click on Print to print the instructions. It should have printed only
the part that you highlighted.

Muslim Children Trained to KILL ! ??
Translation begins here....

Dalry Jones: When I arrived in Jennine, I knew nothing
about anything.

Dalry: Then began a period of what I came to think of as
show-and-tell where people were shown things and told
about things. What was the showing and what was the
telling was focused on the victimization of the Palestinian
people.

Dalry: The first thing we were shown were photographs of
men's bodies that appeared to have been gouged and
pitted and torn.

Dalry: And we were told this is from torture from the Israelis
but later in the old city, a boy got blown up and I was standing
at the head of the table when they were trying to clean him.

Dalry: (she's crying) He had the same (injuries?) as the people
in the photographs. He was torn. He died that night. (She
realizes that the men in the photograph were not tortured by
the Israelis but the injuries were the same as those made by
suicide bombs used by the Palestinians.)

Dalry: And I began to understand what the medical people
were doing with the activists.

Palestinian girls: No, I do not live at the house. My uncle,
Imad, became a martyr and he is in paradise.

Q: Where is your uncle?

Little Palestinian girl: In paradise. Where? In paradise.

Dalry: It was one of the (man?) school teachers. He had this
little boy with him and we were all walking along. He said all
the children are involved.

Dalry: I'm sorry (she's crying). Oh, that's an awful thing... All
the boys from 10 to 16 are involved; they are fighters.

Dalry: I said, "But, what about their schooling?"

Dalry: And he said, "When they are in school they're students;
when they are fighting, they are fighters.

Note:
I tried to get someone to translate what the children
were saying but to no avail. I used Google Translate
(Thanks to BJ) to do the translation for me. Some may
not be too clear but I think you will get the meaning.

Note: I am including the French words spoken; if anyone
can giv me a better translation,
I would appreciate it.
Please send me the translation to ► zhebee@yahoo.com



Palestinian boy with a checkered jacket or shirt: Pour montrer
comment nos combattants ont resiste comme les ingenieurs
Mhammad Sawaymih et Abby Jandal.

Translation: To show how our combatants have resisted like engineers,
Mhammad Sawaymih and Abby Jandal.

Q: Qu' est-ce qu'ils ont fait? Translation: What did they do?

Boy with white checkered shirt: Ils ont pose des pieges mortels,
des bombes sur les tanks et ils ont tue des Juifs
.

Translation: They installed deadly traps, placed bombs on tanks and
they have killed Jews.


Boy in blue jacket: On jetait des pierres sur les tanks...

Translation: They threw stones at the tanks

Boy in blue jacket: Les tanks voulaient nous empecheer
d'enterrernos martyrs... On a jete des pierres et les tanks sont
partis on est montes sur les tanks on y a mis les drapeaux
Palestinian and Irakien
.

Translation: The tanks
tried to prevent us from burying our
martyrs...
We threw stones at the tanks and mounted Palestinian
and Iraqi flags on the tanks.

Boy with white checkered shirt:
C'est un petit pays... mais on a des
ingenieurs qui fabricant des bombs et font sauter des tanks et
savent faire sauter les chaines.


Translation: It is a small country ... but we have engineers who
manufacturer bombs and blow up tanks and know how to skip
channels.



Boy with blue jacket: On veut pas la paix. On vent pas la paix. On
vent la querre pas la paix. On veut se venger des morts of Jenine.

Translation: We do not want peace. We don't talk peace. We want
(Querre?)
not peace. We want to avenge the deaths of Jenin.

Q: Est-ce que tu peux oublier les martyrs?

Translation: Can you forget the martyrs?

Boy with blue jacket: Comment on peut les oublier? On ne oublie
pas le
sang du martyr qui est avec Dieu.


Translation: How can we forget them?
We do not forget blood of
the martyr
who is with God.

Boy with blue jacket: On continuera a se battre. Jusqu'a ce
qu'on soit tous des martyrs.

Translation: We will continue to fight. Until we are all martyrs.

Man in red shirt: This is so beyond my mentality. I have 6
children myself and I'm warning them every time they cross the
street that I just cannot relate to it. I cannot
see how anyone,
any human being on the face of the earth can be proud of a child
that puts a bomb around his body, walks onto a bus and blows up
children and women ....to enter into heaven.

Young teen boy: J'espere que j'aurai un futur. J'espere que je
serai comme Sheikh Mahmood, c'est mon reve.

Translation: I hope
I will have a future. I hope I will be like Sheikh
Mahmood , this is my dream.

Q: Qu'a fait Sheikh Mahmood?

Translation: What has Sheikh Mahmood made (or done?)

Young teen boy: C'etait un expert en explosifs ... il a bombarde
des tanks et envoye des martyrs se faire sauter dans des bus.

Translation: (He) was an expert in explosives… he has bombarded
tanks and sent the martyrs to blow themselves up in buses.


Man ..Q: C'est ton seul reve, devenir un martyr?

Translation: It is your only dream, to become a martyr?

Young teen boy: Non pas seulement.

Translation: Not only.

Man ..Q: Alors c'est quoi?

Translation: Then it is what? (What else?)

Young teen boy: Mon seul reve ce est de voir... disparaitre Israel!

Translation: My only dream is to see ...Israel disappear.

Young teen boy: Je mets qui conque au defi de touver plus fou
sur la surface de la terre.

Translation: I challenge anyone to find crazier on the surface of
the earth
.

Medical worker: This place was for 7½ yrs not under
occupation.
It harboured, according not to Israelis but to
international organizations, 3½ tonnes of explosives but
not one swing, not one slide, not one playground for the
children and you ask yourself, "You have the money. Why
to use it just for hatred? Why to do that?" And then what
to use only the money. You use the humans, the children
to suicide. What kind of mess is that?

Dalry: It's the mythology! And the energy generated by
that
mythology, it's very powerful energy. And it's particularly
powerful because of the children. It's almost like virgin
sacrifice.

Israeli girl (teen): I don't think the Palestinians really want
peace with us. We gave them too many chances. They don't
want nothing. They don't want us here.

Dalry: They never had any other intentions except to eliminate
Israel.

End of translation

Helen



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1/26/2012 11:42:10 AM
Hello Friends,

Jihad in your back yards is also on the football fields. In Dearborn Heights a game between two football game between 2 schools. A muslim school was on the verge of losing 47-6 and the last play of the game 4 muslim players charged the opposing teams quarterback pulled off his helmet and gave him a beating that hospitalized him with massive injuries and a concussion.

You can read all about it and watch the short video here.

Shalom,

Peter

Muslim Football Players in Dearborn Heights Arrested for Assault on Christian Quarterback


It appears that the contention is that Muslims can beat up anybody they want, but if they are charged, it is islamophobia.

One can only imagine the nationwide crackdown on infidels if four Christian football players attacked a Muslim quarterback (and then alleged Jesusophobia).

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Muslim Football Players in Dearborn Heights Arrested for Assault on Christian Quarterback Answering Muslims
I'm not sure what motivated these Muslim players to rip off a quarterback's helmet and beat him senseless, but if their lawyer is claiming that their arrests were racially motivated (Islamophobia, of course), then I will say that the attacks themselves were racially motivated (Christianophobia). Could you imagine the media uproar if four Christian players had given a Muslim quarterback a concussion?

DEARBORN HEIGHTS — A figurative beat down turned literal beating has led to the felony arrests of a group of local high school football players.

Police arrested four Star International Academy seniors Wednesday on aggravated assault charges stemming from an altercation in the team’s last game of the season.

The players -- Mohamed Ahmed, Fanar Al-Alsady, Hadee Attia and Ali Bajjey, all age 17 -- are accused of gang-beating Lutheran Westland’s quarterback as time expired in Lutheran’s 47-6 drubbing of Star on Oct. 21.

According to numerous witness statements gathered by police, Lutheran’s quarterback was set to take a knee to run out the clock. Before the snap, referees told both teams to refrain from contact, police said.

After the snap, however, the four arrested Star players burst through the line and allegedly manhandled Lutheran’s quarterback. Police said they ripped off his helmet, threw him to the ground and punched and kicked him repeatedly. The incident came to an end after coaches, players and refs stepped in and broke it up.

Police took a statement from a referee who said he heard a Star player say to hit the referees after being directed to not hit the other team.

According to published reports, Lutheran’s quarterback suffered a concussion from the beating. (Source)

UPDATE: Hamas-CAIR is all over it --

But the Council on American-Islamic Relations held a news conference Tuesday on the basis that the allegations are not true.

CAIR said there is new video showing the incident was "greatly exaggerated" and that the players were targeted because they were Arab-American.

"We believe that from the very beginning that, if these young men may have been of a different ethnicity, of a different religion, different skin color, that Dearborn Heights police officer most likely would not have been so aggressive in the means in which he carried out his investigation," said CAIR Executive Director Dawud Walid.


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1/26/2012 1:21:26 PM

Hi Peter

It gets crazier every day. How can the lawyer and/or CAIR say the Muslims are being charge because they are Arabs and that is the only reason. ANYONE who did something like that should and would be charged, no matter who they are. It only makes sense. This story made me sick to my stomach. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised because I've seen Muslims do that before, ie., their reasoning is beyond all reason. I hope some spineless prosecutor doesn't drop charges but sees this through to the end.

Helen


Quote:
Hello Friends,

Jihad in your back yards is also on the football fields. In Dearborn Heights a game between two football game between 2 schools. A muslim school was on the verge of losing 47-6 and the last play of the game 4 muslim players charged the opposing teams quarterback pulled off his helmet and gave him a beating that hospitalized him with massive injuries and a concussion.

You can read all about it and watch the short video here.

Shalom,

Peter

Muslim Football Players in Dearborn Heights Arrested for Assault on Christian Quarterback


It appears that the contention is that Muslims can beat up anybody they want, but if they are charged, it is islamophobia.

One can only imagine the nationwide crackdown on infidels if four Christian football players attacked a Muslim quarterback (and then alleged Jesusophobia).

Screen Shot 2012-01-24 at 5.22.22 PM

Muslim Football Players in Dearborn Heights Arrested for Assault on Christian Quarterback Answering Muslims


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