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RE: HSIG- Could You Be A Criminal? US Supports UN Anti-Free Speech Measure
1/8/2012 2:18:08 PM
Hello Friends,

A little over a month ago the United States supported an anti freedom of speech measure passed in the UN. B Hussein's government and Hillary's State Department have been purposely and knowingly infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood. Much has been written about this in the past here and elsewhere (not in the MSM though) and is part and parcel of B Hussein's Islamic agenda. No other US administration prior to the fraud and great pretender's has supported the OIC's anti freedom of speech measures in the UN. It took B Hussein and his partner in crime Hillary to work out the plan to support it this time after meetings with the OIC a short while ago (Hillary was the culprit at these meetings).

The below article goes into greater detail and explains how you will possibly be considered a criminal for expressing your opinions and beliefs. I'll paste in the email I received from ACT! for America and the article they attached to the email. The highlights are ACT!'s but are relevant to showing the dangers of this UN measure. Read it and understand how the B Hussein regime is impinging on your freedoms and surrendering to the gangsterism of the UN.

Shalom,

Peter

January 5, 2012

“Could you be a criminal?”

State Department partners with Organization of Islamic Cooperation in what could lead to criminalizing free speech


Dear Peter,

“That could never happen here.”

When we shine a light on the conviction of Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff in Austria for “denigrating religion,” that’s how some people respond.

Or when we warn about sharia law creeping into America. Or 85 sharia courts in Britain. Or “no go zones” in France.

And of course, our State Department would NEVER agree to a UN resolution that has the practical effect of criminalizing free speech, right?

The column below that recently appeared in Forbes (highlights added) is longer than we normally put out, but it is SO IMPORTANT that you be aware of what’s coming our way. Please take a few minutes to read it—because your first amendment rights may soon be in jeopardy.

Of course, that could never happen here.




Could You Be A Criminal? US Supports UN Anti-Free Speech Measure

Abigail R. Esman, Contributor

http://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailesman/2011/12/30/could-you-be-a-criminal-us-supports-un-anti-free-speech-measure/


While you were out scavenging the Wal-Mart super sales or trying on trinkets at T iffany and Cartier, your government has been quietly wrapping up a Christmas gift of its own: adoption of UN resolution 16/18. An initiative of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (formerly Organization of Islamic Conferences), the confederacy of 56 Islamic states, Resolution 16/18 seeks to limit speech that is viewed as “discriminatory” or which involves the “defamation of religion” – specifically that which can be viewed as “incitement to imminent violence.”

Whatever that means.

Initially proposed in response to alleged discrimination against Muslims in the aftermath of 9/11 and in an effort to clamp down on anti-Muslim attacks in non-Muslim countries, Resolution 16/18 has been through a number of revisions over the years in order to make it palatable to American representatives concerned about U.S. Constitutional guarantees of free speech. Previous versions of the Resolution, which sought to criminalize blasphemous speech and the “defamation of religion,” were regularly rejected by the American delegation and by the US State Department, which insisted that limitations on speech – even speech deemed to be racist or blasphemous – were at odds with the Constitution. But this latest version, which includes the “incitement to imminent violence” phrase – that is, which criminalizes speech which incites violence against others on the basis of religion, race, or national origin – has succeeded in winning US approval –despite the fact that it (indirectly) places limitations as well on speech considered “blasphemous.”

What’s worse, the measure codifies into the UN agenda support for the very notion democracies now wrestle with, and which threatens to destroy the very fabric of our culture: tolerance of the intolerant, or rather, the question of whether a tolerant society must also tolerate ways of life that are intolerant – that oppress women, say, or advocate violence against homosexuals, or force strangers to marry against their will. It is, in fact, this very concept that the OIC has long pressured Western governments to adopt in other ways, and that those supporting the adoption of Sharia law in the west have emphasized. Yet if we fall into that trap – as it appears we are – we will have lost the very heart of who we are.

The Good, The Bad…

Those who support the new measure rightly laud its recognition of the importance of free debate. and the inclusion of new clauses that call for “speaking out against intolerance, including advocacy of religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence” and “[foster ing] religious freedom and pluralism by promoting the ability of members of all religious communities to manifest their religion, and to contribute openly and on an equal footing to society.”

What opponents (rightly) find distressing are calls to adopt “measures to criminalize incitement to imminent violence based on religion or belief.”

(Additional clauses that call for countering religious profiling are also questionable, however civil rights organizations may feel about this, given the problems of Islamic terrorism in the real world. But that’s another matter.)

Oddly, Human Rights First, which previously loudly opposed the initiative for its limitation on “blasphemous speech,” is among those who now praise the newer version. In a statement, the organization opined:

Rather than imposing new restrictions on freedom of speech, which it does not, the new consensus resolution opens the door to an action-oriented approach to fighting religious intolerance. That is very consistent with the U.S. policies and practices – combat violence, discrimination and hatred without restricting freedom of speech. Resolution 16/18 urges states to train government officials to address religious tensions, to harmonize actions at local and national level, to raise awareness of negative stereotyping of persons, to promote interfaith and intercultural dialogue, to foster religious freedom and to speak out against intolerance (among other recommendations). The only limitation on speech that is in the operative part of the resolution is incitement to “imminent violence”, which is in accordance with US law.

But others are less forgiving, noting, among other things, that the resolution does nothing to prevent the continued use of anti-Jewish materials in the schools of Saudi Arabia (where the Protocols of Zion are treated as fact, thereby absolving Saudis of charges of “racism”) or the ongoing persecution of Jews and Christians in numerous Muslim countries. And yet, ironically,it was exactly those same countries who initiated the motion, as put forth in its initial drafts by the General Assembly, with expressions of concern for “cases motivated by Islamophobia, Judeophobia, and Christanophobia.”

Indeed, as M. Zuhdi Jasser, an observant American Muslim and the founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, remarked in an e-mail, “Anyone who believes that Resolution 16’18 is some kind of a breakthrough is sadly being duped by the most obvious Islamist double discourse. The shift from ‘defamation’ to ‘incitement’ does nothing at all to change the basic paradigm where Islamist nations remain in the offen se, continuing to put Western, free nations on the defense.” Rather, said Jasser, “We should be putting Islamist autocracies on the defense and then simply reiterate that our First Amendment principles already protect the rights of all minorities — whether Muslim or otherwise — and that the best standard of free speech is the American one. Beginning to categorize speech as ‘incitement’ is a slippery slope that could open the floodgates for any post-tragedy analysis to indict what would otherwise be free speech absurdly as incitement in some far-fetched cause-effect analysis that would depend on proving that speech causes violence.”

Exactly.

It is, indeed, galling to think that we would enter into negotiations of any kind, with anyone, about the freedom of expression that is so central to our very way of life and the core of the founding of America. Ever.

The background to all of this, unsurprisingly, is an effort on the part of Muslim countries to limit what they consider to be defamatory and blasphemous speech: criticism of Islam, say, or insulting the prophet Mohammed – which, as we’ve learned, can mean anything from drawing a cartoon or making a joke in a comedy sketch to burning a Koran. Such acts – according to some readings of the Koran and, indeed, according to law in some IOC countries – are punishable by death. Hence the riots that met the publication of the so-called “Danish cartoons,” the fatwa against Salman Rushdie, the murder of Theo van Gogh, and on and on.

… And The Deceptive

And here’s where Resolution 16/18 gets tricky.

Because who, exactly, arbitrates what is “incitement to imminent violence”? Violence by whom? If drawing a caricature of the Prophet incites violence by Islamic radicals to the tune of riots, arson, and murder, all sanctioned by the IOC itself – then drawing such a caricature (or writing a book like the Satanic Verses) will now constitute a criminal act. And that is exactly what the OIC was aiming for. It is also in direct violation of the principles of Western democracy – and the First Amendment. (Though it is crucial to note that any resolution passed by the General Assembly remains nonbinding, which makes you sort of wonder what the point of all this is, anyway.)

Moreover, since many would claim that the persecution of blasphemers is mandated by their religion, conflicts emerge between guarantees of free expression and the guarantee of freedom of religion and the practice of one’s faith. In othr words: your free speech allows you to insult my prophet: my freedom of religion compels me to kill you for it.

What was that about “incitement to violence”?
Whose violence?

This is how the Organization of the Islamic Cooperation plays “Gotcha.

This is how the American government, however unwittingly, subsumes its own Constitution in deference ot the demands of the Islamic state.

It’s a dangerous game.

True, the Human Rights First position on the issue is significantly more optimistic:

“The U.S. will always enforce its own standards on freedom of expression; these are enshrined in this country’s Constitution. But its legal exceptionalism on freedom of spee ch does not necessarily mean that the U.S. administration needs to be diplomatically isolated when it comes to promoting globally the principles of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, which many in the U.S. perceive to be core and founding American values. On the contrary, since the U.S. joined the U.N. Human Rights Council, the Obama administration has openly expressed its ambition to exert leadership within the U.N. body.

The U.S. demonstrated that leadership by securing the passage of Resolution 16/18 at the Human Rights Council and by moving immediately to show through the Istanbul Process Conference that states have tools at their disposal to combat violence, discrimination and hatred without restricting free speech.”

But note that word: “combat.” That same word appears in Resolution 16/18, which states “Understanding the need to combat denigration and negative religious stereotyping of persons, as well as incitement to religious hatred, by strategizing and harmonizing actions at the local, national, regional and international levels through, inter alia, education and awareness building.” (Emphasis mine.)

“Combat” implies warfare. Is that the language we want here? Is that one of the options under the vague and wide-open term “inter alia”? And are the “tools at their disposal” – education, interfaith dialogue, and debate — really going to “combat” hatred, especially when that hatred is disguised as proper adherence to one’s faith? When racist myths are taught as historical fact to children across a large swath of the globe?

As for that “faith” thing: it strikes me that those of no faith – atheists – are not addressed anywhere in t his resolution. Are they also to be protected from hate crimes? Is atheism among the ideas to be debated and taught in these awareness-raising sessions? If so, why is that not so stated? If not, why not?

Then there is the ongoing whimpering about the “targeting” of Muslims in non-Muslim countries. Actually, that “targeting” is largely mythical, or at the very least, heavily exaggerated. Throughout the world, from France to the Netherlands to Germany to the United States of America, the majority – by a large margin – of those hate crimes and incidents of discrimination perpetrated on the basis of religion target Jews. (another resource available here) And in virtually every case, the “extremism” in question has been Islamic extremism. (Though recent reports of the despicable behavior or ultra-orthodox Jews in Israel puts a new perspective on the matter.)

The Bigger Picture

But here’s the biggest problem: when the exercise of free speech leads to violence far beyond our control. It’s called “terrorism.” And neither the U.N. General Assembly nor the United States of America has the power to stop it. More importantly: by agreeing to curb speech that could lead to “imminent violence,” we in essence accept the blame for any terrorist acts against America (and the West). We agreed not to provoke, after all.

This, of course, is an unacceptable paradigm, and one we cannot allow to stand.

Integral to the greatness of America is the simple fact that no other country in the world places so sacred a value on free speech – indeed, on free expression – as does the United States. Holocaust denial, for instance, is verboten in Germany. Mein Kampf is banned in the Netherlands. France last week criminalized the denial of the Armenian genocide in Turkey (an act that resulted in widespread condemnation by the OIC, whose Secretary General, Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, had the audacity, days after the ratification of 16/18, to bluster that those who defend cartoons that mock Mohammed as “freedom of thought and expression” have no business limiting the speech of those who deny the Armenian genocide. “This is an indisputable and unacceptable paradox,” he declared). And so on.

Yet in all of this, America has stood strong in its defense of free speech – even blasphemous, hateful, racist, sexist, Pentecostal, homophobic, and ignorant speech. We must continue to do so, no matter what pressures we may face. Because in the end, limiting our rights to self-expression and – above all – the questioning of religious beliefs – will never help to make the world more peaceful – or more free.

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RE: HSIG- B Hussein Regime Flip Flopping On Dangers Of A Nuclear Iran
1/9/2012 9:05:04 AM
Hello Friends,

Recently we've seen the latest in the flip flops of the B Hussein administration. Not long ago (around a month or so) Panetta said Iran wasn't an issue or a danger but for the past 2 weeks or so he's changing his tune as is B Hussein on the danger of a Nuclear Iran. Sanctions were the name of the game with this pathetic administration and now even with the more serious sanctions Iran doesn't seem to have heeled like a good dog or as B Hussein expected.

The lunatic Iranian regime is upping the scale with threats of closing the Straits of Hormuz with military exercises the second one is now being played out. So, all of a sudden B Hussein got some balls and is threatening to take action if the Straits are blocked by the Iranians. Panetta who flip flopped to the demand and tune of B Hussein is now claiming that all options are open but let's remember this is after the European countries came out with threats that they would take military action if the Straits of Hormuz were blocked.

All of a sudden according to flip flopping Panetta a nuclear Iran IS a problem and won't be allowed. I guess an election year changes beliefs over night especially when the fraud and great pretender isn't doing well even within his own party.

The question now is will B Hussein make the Iranian nuclear threat and the blocking of the Straits of Hormuz his main talking point for his campaign and if he'll finally make a serious stance beyond useless sanctions and talks.

The Arab Spring that B Hussein supported that turned into the Arab Winter or even worse the Arab Siberian Winter with the most radical Muslims taking control of the countries involved so far is another fiasco that go down in history as B Hussein's fiasco. He missed out on the real and true Muslim Spring when he turned his back on the Iranian students, women and general population uprising and revolt against the Iranian thugs and theocracy (he ignored them twice ). They truly wanted to change the face of the lunatic Mullah's and Ahmadinejad's regime. Is he now trying to change his direction and take serious action against the dangers of a nuclear Iran all to remain in the WH for another four years?

As a note: We all know what his past actions were against the Iranians; talking/negotiating and luke warm sanctions. Ron Paul would have done even less were he God forbid president of the USA he said so himself on numerous occasions. Just another example of his being left of B Hussein if you can imagine such a president existing.

Below is Dry Bones take on this issue. Interesting to say the least.

Shalom,

Peter




Developments in the Iran "situation" seem to be moving quickly.

"How does an American President campaigning for reelection handle the snowballing Iranian threat?" is a question that all of the players are assessing, and that includes the Iranians, the Saudis, the Israelis, and the campaigning President himself.

-Dry Bones- Israel's Political Comic Strip Since 1973
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RE: HSIG- 'Liberated': Why Do Muslims Despise Jews So Much?
1/9/2012 9:59:57 AM
Hello Friends,

Here's another post from 'Liberated'. This time she's discussing Islam's obsessive hatred of the Jewish people and Israel and the reasons for their hatred. Again an interesting read and for those of us that read the koran (even if not all of it) many of the verses quoted in the article are not new but many are.

This is an educational work in progress 'Liberated' is taking upon herself and so far she's doing an exceptional job of it. Many through her articles will learn quite a bit about the Muslim brainwashed mindset and the reasons they are unable to break away from the book of hate and the big Mo.

Shalom,

Peter

Why do Muslims despise Jews so much?

Sunday, January 8, 2012

According to the Merriam Webster online dictionary, the term ‘Zionist’ is defined as “An international movement originally for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel”. So when I said in my last post that I have always been a Zionist, I meant that I have always supported Israel and the Jews, and I am sure my statement was pretty clear. Then where did this come from?
Kai56 | January 6, 2012 8:54 PM | Reply

come on you have got to be kidding me
jew and zionist not same thing you dumb *****
What do you mean by that, Kai56? Can you please be more specific why you rendered me with such delightful adjectives?

I have an Egyptian colleague who recently went on a trip to Europe with his family. During one of the train journeys, his 7-year-old daughter got friendly with a similar aged American girl on the train, and then both the parents also introduced themselves since they had a few hours more to go. After a few minutes of casual conversation, my colleague found out that they were Jewish Americans. According to his own admission, he said “Shakila, as soon as I found out that they were Jewish, I had this sudden urge to push them all out of the train”. To say that I was shocked beyond belief is an understatement. I just asked him, “Why, Ahmed? Were they not nice people?” To that he replied: “They seemed nice in the beginning before I found out their true identity, but once I did, I just could continue making idle conversation with them, nor could I let my daughter play with their girl, so I just pulled my wife and kids away from them and moved to a different compartment of the train.” So as you can see, this is the kind of hatred that many Muslims, especially Arabs, harbor in their hearts against the Jews. Why do they despise them so much that they don’t even recognize them as human beings? Well, of course, the answer lies in the book of all evils, the Holy Quran… Here is a snapshot of what the revered & sacred book of the Muslims says about their worst enemies.

Qur'an 2:61

"Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah's wrath."

Qur'an 4:44

"Have you not considered those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They traffic in error and desire that you should go astray. But Allah has full knowledge of your enemies. Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, saying, 'We hear and we disobey' with a twist of their tongues they slander Faith.... Allah has cursed them for disbelief."

Qur'an 4:47

"O you People of the Book to whom the Scripture has been given, believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming and verifying what was possessed by you, before We destroy your faces beyond all recognition, turning you on your backs, and curse you as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be executed."

Qur'an 4:160

"For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) in that they hindered many from Allah's Way, that they took usury, though they were forbidden, and that they devoured men's wealth on false pretenses, We have prepared for those among them who reject [Islamic] Faith a painful doom."

Qur'an 5:59

"Say: 'People of the Book! Do you disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that has come to us and that which came before?' Say: 'Shall I point out to you something much worse than this by the treatment it received from Allah? Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom He transformed into apes and swine."

Qur'an 2:64

"But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you."

Qur'an 33:26

"Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traver

Qur'an 59:14

"The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell."

Qur'an 4:55

"Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!"

Qur'an 88:1

"Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (all disbelievers, Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring."

Qur'an 59:14

"They [Jews] will not fight against you save in fortified townships. Their hostility and hatred amongst themselves is strong: you would think they were united, but their hearts they are divided. That is because these [Jews] are a people devoid of sense."

Qur'an 5:13

"But because of their breach of their covenant We cursed the Jews, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places [the illiterate prophet pronounced] and forget and abandon a good part of the message that was sent them. Nor will you cease to find deceit in them. And because of their breaking their covenant We have cursed them. They altered words from their context and they neglected a portion of the message they were reminded of."

Qur'an 5:41

"Or it be among the Jews, men who will listen to any lie. They change the context of the words from their (right) times and places.... For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.""

Qur'an 5:42

"They are fond of listening to falsehood, of devouring anything forbidden; they are greedy for illicit gain!"

Qur'an 5:44

"It was We who revealed the Torah. By its standard the prophets judged the Jews, and the prophets bowed (in Islam) to Allah's will, surrendering. For the rabbis and priests: to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's Scripture Book; they were witnesses of it. Therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My revelations for a miserable price."

Qur'an 5:64

"The Jews say: 'Allah's hands are fettered.' Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the blasphemy they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched, giving [Muslims Jewish booty] as He pleases. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Doom. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah does extinguish it. But they strive to do mischief on earth."

Qur'an 98:1

"Those among the People of the Book, who disbelieve and are idolaters, would never have been freed from their false religion if the Clear Proofs had not come to them. An Apostle of Allah came reading out of hallowed pages.... They were commanded to serve Allah exclusively, fulfilling their devotional obligations, and paying the zakat. Surely the unbelievers and idolaters from the People of the Book will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures."

Qur'an 5:78

"Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled."

Qur'an 5:80

"You see many of them allying themselves with the unbelieving infidels. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah's wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide."

Qur'an 5:81

"If only they had believed in Allah, in the Prophet, and in what had been revealed to him."

Qur'an 5:82

"You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims."

Qur'an 2:59

"We sent a plague upon the Jews from heaven, for their evil-doing."

Qur'an 17:7

"We shall rouse Our (Muslim) slaves to shame and ravage you (Jews), disfiguring your faces. They will enter the Temple as before and destroy, laying to waste all that they conquer."

Qur'an 59:14

"They are a divided people devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so both of them will end up in Hell."

Qur'an 59:2

"It was He [Allah] who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from their [Medina] homes and into exile. They refused to believe. You did not think that they would go away. And they imagined that their settlement would protect them against Allah. But Allah's [actually Muhammad's] (torment) came at them from where they did not suspect and terrorized them. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson O men who have eyes. This is My warning. Had Allah not decreed the expulsion of the Jews, banishing them into the desert, He would certainly have punished them in this world, and in the next they shall taste the torment of Hell Fire."

Qur'an 2:40

"O Children of Israel, remember the favors I bestowed on you. So keep My Covenant so that I fulfil your covenant. Fear Me. And believe in what I sent down, confirming and verifying the Scripture which you possess already."

Qur'an 2:41

"Be not the first to deny or sell My Verses for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone." [Another translation reads:] "Part not with My Revelations for a trifling price, getting a small gain by selling My Verses."

Qur'an 2:43

"[Jews] Perform prayer; pay the zakat tax; bow down and prostrate yourself with Ar-Raki'un (the obedient bowers). You read, recite, and study the Scripture. Why don't you understand? Nay, seek [Islamic prostration] prayer: It is indeed hard, heavy, and exacting, except for those who obey in submission."

Qur'an 2:59

"The [Jewish] transgressors changed and perverted the word from that which had been spoken to them to a word distorted; so We sent a plague upon them from heaven, for their evil-doing."

Qur'an 2:61

"Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon the Jews and they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved Allah's Proofs, Signs and Verses and killed the prophets. They disobeyed and rebelled."

Qur'an 2:64

"But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. You know that you have broken the sanctity of the Sabbath, so We said: 'Become monkeys despised and hated.' We made this punishment an example and a warning for those who fear Allah."

Qur'an 2:79

"But woe to the Jews who fake the Scriptures and say, 'This is from God,' so that they might earn some profit thereby.' And woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn from it.'"

Qur'an 2:80

"Yet they (Jews) say: 'The Fire will not touch us for more than a few days...but they are enclosed in error and are inmates of Hell."

Qur'an 2:85

"Do you [Jews] believe a part of the Book and reject a part? There is no reward for them who so act but disgrace in the world, and on the Day of Doom, the severest of punishment...their torment will never decrease!"

Qur'an 2:89

"The Book was sent to them (the Jews) by Allah verifying and confirming what had been revealed to them already (the Torah and Gospel). They used to pray for victory over the unbelievers - and even though they recognized it when it came to them, they renounced it. The curse of Allah be on those who deny!"

Qur'an 2:101

"When there came a messenger from Allah confirming what was with them, a party of the people of the (Torah and Gospel) Scripture Book fling away the Book of Allah, tossing it behind their backs, as if they did not know!"

Qur'an 2:109

"Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could turn you [Muslim] (people) back to infidelity after you have believed [submitted], through selfish envy, even after the Truth has become manifest to them. Indulge them until Allah issues his orders."

Qur'an 59:2

"It was Allah who drove the (Jewish) People from their [Yathrib] homes and into exile. They refused to believe. They imagined that their strongholds would protect them against Allah. But Allah's Torment came at them from where they did not suspect. He terrorized them. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson. This is My warning. Had I not decreed the expulsion of the Jews, banishing them to the desert, I would have punished them. They shall taste the torment of Hell Fire." Qur'an 59:4 "That is because they resisted Allah and His Messenger. If any one resists Allah, verily Allah is severe in Punishment."

Qur'an 59:6

"What Allah gave as booty to His Messenger, He has taken away from the Jews. Allah gives His Messenger Lordship over whom He will. Whatever booty Allah has given to Muhammad and taken away from the (Jewish) people of the townships, belongs to Allah and to His Apostle."

Qur'an 59:14

"The Jews will not unite and fight against you except from behind walls. They hate themselves. You would think they were united, but their hearts are divided. That is because these [Jews] are a people devoid of sense. Like those who recently preceded them [the Meccans at Badr], they [the Jews who were just sent into the desert to die] have tasted the evil result of their conduct. And for them a grievous punishment."

Qur'an 59:16

"They [the Jews] are like Satan when he tells man, 'Not to believe,' When (man) denies, Satan says, 'I have nothing to do with you. I fear Allah, the Lord of men and jinn!'"

Qur'an 59:17

"Both [Jews and Satan] will go into the Fire of Hell, dwelling therein forever. Such is the reward of the Zalimun (disbelievers and polytheists)."

Qur'an 62:5

"The likeness of those who are entrusted with the Taurat (Torah), who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of an ass which carries huge books (but understands them not). Wretched is the likeness of folk who deny the Verses of Allah."

Qur'an 62:6

"Say: 'You Jews! If you think that you are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men, then desire death, if you are truthful!' But never will they long (for death), because of what their hands have done before them! Allah knows well the polytheists! Say: 'The Death from which you flee will truly overtake you.'"

Qur'an 3:65

"You People of the Book! Why dispute you about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have you no understanding? Ah! You are those who fell to disputing (even) in matters of which you had some knowledge! But why dispute in matters of which you have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and you who know not!"

Qur'an 3:67

"Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah."

Qur'an 3:77

"As for those who sell for a small price the covenant and faith they owe to Allah and their own plighted word for a small price, they shall have no portion in the Hereafter. Nor will Allah speak to them or look at them on the Day of Judgment, nor will He cleanse them: They shall have a grievous torment, a painful doom. There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues. (As they read) you would think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book; and they say, 'That is from God,' but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it!"

Qur'an 3:84

"Say (Muhammad): 'We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob and the tribes [of Israel], and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered, bowing our will (in Islam).'"

Qur'an 3:85

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Surrender), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who are losers." Qur'an 3:87 "Of such the reward is that on them (rests) the curse of Allah, of His angels, and of all men, all together. In that will they dwell; nor will their penalty of doom be lightened."

Qur'an 33:26

"Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before." [Version two:] "And He drove the People of the Scripture down from their homes and cast panic into their hearts. Some you killed, and you made some captive. And He caused you to inherit their farms, houses, wealth, and land you have not trodden."
These are just a few of the verses in the Quran which depict the Jews as a sub human species. There are a lot more such verses about them, as well as about the Christians, the Sabians (not sure what that really means) the pagans, the Zoroastrians... In fact, according to the Quran and Mohammed or Allah (they are one and the same, as everyone knows), Muslims are supposed to hate everyone and everything that is not Muslim, but Jews are on the top of that hate list. Do you know why? It is pretty simple, actually. They are smart, intelligent people and they did not buy Mo's cock-and-bull story about some angel coming down and giving him the message from God and making him a prophet. He just could not digest the fact that no matter how hard he tried to sell his story, the Jews were not buying it. Period.. So how did he retaliate? He got his Allah to send down derogatory verses against the Jews, and unfortunately his followers were dumb enough to believe that the kind and merciful God would actually hate the very own people he created. How could God say such cruel things about his most special people? His chosen ones? If only Mo's followers had a little more common sense, but alas, for the last 14 centuries, Muslims are blinded by the hatred and rage, which has been absorbed into their very souls against the Jews. The only way to overcome that is to liberate oneself from the evil clutches of Islam.




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RE: HSIG- Report: Israeli Experts pPredict Iran Nuke Test In January 2013
1/10/2012 3:15:53 PM
Hello Friends,

Israeli experts predict that Iran will conduct it's first nuke test in January 2013. One short year away. More about that in the below article which also covers the lunatic Ahmadinejad's visit to South American allies who support him and the Mullah controlled Iran unconditionally. Imagine 2 lunatics together, Ahmadinejad and Hugo Chavez. Chavez says about that:
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Chavez said both Venezuela and Iran were peaceful countries that would weather a battery of suspicion and accusations by critics.

"When we devils get together ... it's like they go crazy," Chavez said.

Laughing, Chavez said Ahmadinejad was traveling through "the axis of evil of Latin America."

Yep, 2 lunatics "playing" together is very worrying at least to most of us.

Shalom,

Peter

Report: Israeli experts predict Iran nuke test in January 2013


Times of London: Institute for National Security Studies says Iran could conduct first nuclear weapons test next January • Ross: If Iran blocks Strait of Hormuz "they will be the ones who suffer the most" • U.S. warns Iran on uranium enrichment at Fordo.

News Agencies and Israel Hayom Staff

"When we devils get together ... it's like they go crazy," Chavez said Monday at a joint press conference in Caracas with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
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Israel's defense establishment is preparing for a nuclear Iran and believes Tehran may have nuclear weapons within a year, the Times of London reported on Monday. It was quoting a report by the Tel Aviv University-linked Institute for National Security Studies.

The institute's report, which composed scenarios for the day after an Iranian nuclear weapons test, predicted there would be a major shift in the balance of power in the Middle East.

According to published excerpts, institute researchers believe the U.S. would propose a defense pact with Israel, but would advise it not to attack Iran. Russia would seek to enter into an alliance with the U.S. to prevent the proliferation of nuclear weapons in the region, while Saudi Arabia would probably pursue its own nuclear weapons program, the Times reported.

The INSS experts also predicted that Iran would conduct a nuclear weapons test in January 2013 and that this would follow increasingly hostile demands by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, which would include a redrawing of Iran's borders with Iraq and action against U.S. Fifth Fleet ships.

"The simulation showed that Iran will not forgo nuclear weapons, but will attempt to use them to reach an agreement with the major powers that will improve its position," the report said. "The simulation showed that [the Israeli military option], or the threat of using it, would also be relevant following an Iranian nuclear test."

The INSS team of experts, which includes a former director of Israel's National Security Council and two former empolyees of the Prime Minister's Office, submitted the report's conclusions to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the Times said.

Meanwhile, commenting on recent Iranian threats to close the key oil route through the Strait of Hormuz in retaliation for stiffening U.S. sanctions targeting the Islamic Republic's oil exports, American diplomat Dennis Ross told Bloomberg on Monday that Iran was unlikely to make good on this threat.

“Do I really think that they’re going to go ahead and try to shut down the Strait of Hormuz?” asked the former adviser to U.S. President Barack Obama on Iran. "I do not. They will be the ones who suffer the most from that."

Ali Ashraf Nouri, a senior commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, was quoted earlier this month by The Associated Press as saying that Tehran had decided to stop shipping through the Strait of Hormuz if Iran’s “enemies block the export of our oil."

Ross added that “a lot of the bluster” reveals the internal political jockeying in Iran, as Tehran would be unable to export its own oil if shipping through the Strait were blocked, the former adviser to Obama said.

“I don’t think one can completely discount” the risk because the authorities may not have control over all the factions, Ross told Bloomberg, “but I think that they understand the risks that they run and, if you look at their historical behavior, for all their tough talk, they don’t go out of their way unnecessarily to provoke” a U.S. military response.

Ross' comments came on the heels of a confirmation by the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, that Iran had started enriching uranium up to 20 percent at an underground facility at Fordo, near the Shiite Muslim holy city of Qom. The agency said all atomic material there was under its surveillance.

"The fact that the IAEA has made clear that they are enriching to a level that is inappropriate at Fordo is obviously a problem," State Department Spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters at her daily briefing Monday.

Nuland said the agency's assessment, previously reported by diplomats in Vienna, did not come as a surprise to the U.S. "If they are enriching at Fordo to 20 percent, this is a further escalation of their ongoing violations with regard to their nuclear obligations," Nuland said, referring to a series of U.N. Security Council resolutions calling on Iran to halt its enrichment-related activities.

Meanwhil, also on Monday, Ahmadinejad defended his country's nuclear program as he began a four-nation tour of Latin America, joining his ally Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez in accusing the U.S. and its allies of using the nuclear dispute to unjustly threaten Iran.

Both leaders dismissed U.S. concerns over Iran's growing diplomatic ties with Chavez and his allies in Latin America and over Iran's nuclear ambitions, whith Tehran insists are peaceful.

"They accuse us of being warmongers," Chavez said. "They're the threat."

Both leaders planned to travel to Nicaragua on Tuesday for the inauguration of newly re-elected President Daniel Ortega. Ahmadinejad was scheduled to also visit Cuba and Ecuador.

The Iranian leader was using the visit to tout his relationships with some of his close friends shortly after the U.S. imposed tougher sanctions on Iran over its nuclear program.

Chavez and his allies back Iran in arguing the program is purely for peaceful purposes.

Chavez accused the U.S. and its European allies of demonizing Iran and using false claims about the nuclear issue "like they used the excuse of weapons of mass destruction to do what they did in Iraq."

Ahmadinejad dismissed the accusations about Iran's nuclear program in general terms."They say we're making [a] bomb," the Iranian leader said through an interpreter. "Fortunately, the majority of Latin American countries are alert. Everyone knows that those words ... are a joke. It's something to laugh at."

"It's clear they're afraid of our development," Ahmadinejad said.

Chavez said both Venezuela and Iran were peaceful countries that wpuld weather a battery of suspicion and accusations by critics.

"When we devils get together ... it's like they go crazy," Chavez said.

Laughing, Chavez said Ahmadinejad was traveling through "the axis of evil of Latin America."

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RE: HSIG- Report: Israeli Experts pPredict Iran Nuke Test In January 2013
1/10/2012 9:32:21 PM


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