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Re: BCN NEWS SAY CALIFORNIA MAN FORECASTS OBAMA SYMPATHY VOTE
10/22/2008 3:58:20 AM

Hello Joe,

I'll repeat what I wrote in an earlier post Gaby did not choose her words well and I'm sure regrets them.

I recall a while back in one of your threads (that you chose to delete and shouldn't have) I wrote in one of my posts that hopefully some action of Hussein's would put the "death throes to his campaign". You made mention of the term in a post and for once we agreed on something in that thread. Immediately after posting then I regretted the term knowing that some might misinterpret it. Well this has happened now but to someone I know well for a few years and have no doubt that she didn't intend for her comment to be considered a death threat. Unfortunate state of affairs.

Pat, I too don't hate any of the candidates. McCain is not my first choice for sure but he far surpasses Barack Hussein Obama.  Now I don't hate Hussein for a reason that you might not understand. I believe that in order to hate someone you have to have some sort of respect for the individual and I have absolutely no respect for him at all.

I do hate what he stands for. I do hate all his lies. I do hate his associates. I do hate his manipulation of the youth of America. I do hate the fact that he refuses to supply documents to the courts as requested. I do hate what I believe will happen to the USA if he is elected. I do hate the thought that this individual could possibly become the commander in chief (well at least there he'll have the quisling at his side). I do hate his support of ACORN. OMG, the list is too long to name them all but I guess you get the point.

You might not care if the FBI comes knocking at your door but many might and will probably have their lives turned upside down cos of your hasty action. Wonder if this is a preview of things to come if Hussein wins the election.

I'm not sure your usage of Sharon's "peace" wasn't misplaced there.

Shalom,

Peter

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Re: BCN NEWS SAY CALIFORNIA MAN FORECASTS OBAMA SYMPATHY VOTE
10/22/2008 7:46:07 AM
 
I had made a post last night but asked Joe B to delete it
as the right side was cut off and I wanted to try it again.
So imagine my surprise this morning when I go to the
forum to repost and find our dear Gaby practically
being labeled a terrorist and turned in to the FBI.
Unreal. OK Mr FBI, and anyone else who doesn't know
our dear Gaby, I would like to say something to you.
After quite some time here in this community I've
come to know dear Gaby very well and she's far
from the bad person she's being portrayed as. As
a matter of fact if everyone in this world was as good
and kind as she, then our world would be a better
place to be. I've found her to be of exceptionally
high character, which is more than I can say for a
lot of other people. This angers me very much to
see one of our better community members crucified
like this. Dear Gaby, maybe some good will come
from this and you will find out just who your real friends
are and I'm guessing there are a lot of them.
Stay strong sweetie.
 

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Re: BCN NEWS SAY CALIFORNIA MAN FORECASTS OBAMA SYMPATHY VOTE
10/22/2008 8:30:35 AM

I got so angry after reading through this forum I forgot to repost my article.

'Smears' About Obama Largely True

Monday, October 20, 2008 9:32 PM

By: Lowell Ponte 

The Obama campaign says its candidate is a victim of “smears” —
and has even created a Web site to fight such attacks.
But a Newsmax investigation finds many of the so-called smears are
largely based in truth — and the Obama campaign uses half-truths,
clever language, and ad hominem attacks to spin the facts.
Obama’s www.FightTheSmears.com focuses mainly on anti-Obama
messages being repeated on the Internet and talk radio, the only media
where Obama's ideological allies are not dominant.
These "smears" and the Obama rebuttals are often framed in lawyerly
language that leaves much wiggle room in the candidate’s answers.
FightTheSmears.com also makes no attempt at objectivity, describing
Obama’s critics as “pushing misleading research and distorted claims”
because they are “ideologues” busy “spreading a ‘pack of lies’ about
Barack.”
In a section of the site titled, “Who’s Behind the Smears?” visitors can
see a chart naming seven groups and six individuals with lines that
suggest multiple, sinister connections between them.
The people and groups named are real and are members of Washington’s
small but conservative sphere of power and influence. The Obama
conspiracy chart links all of these conservative individuals and groups
back to the critics who dogged the “Clinton 1992 Campaign.”
This may come as something as a surprise to Hillary Clinton, as many
of the “smears” against Obama first surfaced during her heated primary
contest with him. Newsmax reviewed 10 random claims and related
rebuttals posted on Obama’s ever-changing FightTheSmears.com to
gauge their veracity.
Here’s what we found:
Claim No. 1: Obama's campaign is funded by the rich, big corporations
and foreigners.
“Barack Obama was the only major presidential candidate this year to
completely reject contributions from The Washington lobbyists and
special interest PACs that have dominated our politics for years,” the
Obama site says of the persistent online criticisms of its fundraising.
“Instead, this campaign has been owned by the more than 3.1 million
everyday Americans who have donated in small amounts.”
Not so, according to campaign finance records. Nearly half of the $600
million raised by Obama to date has come from wealthy donors and
special interests. Obama's allies months ago dropped their ad linking
Republican rival “Exxon John” McCain to Big Oil after it came to light
that Obama had taken far more money from Exxon-Mobil than McCain.
“The Obama campaign has complied fully with federal election law,”
claims the Obama site, “including donor eligibility and contribution
disclosure requirements.”
However, one giant loophole the politicians wrote into the law allows
contributions in amounts of $200 or less with no donor identification.
Obama claims that $300 million in campaign funds was given by these
small donors, and he won’t release their names and addresses.
McCain has released his whole donor database, including those who
have contributed less than $200.
Critics argue that the other half of Obama’s campaign haul — the part
not raised from big corporate donors and special interests — came in
a small flood of anonymous donations that might be foreign or corrupt,
or both.
Claim No. 2: Obama has had a close, ongoing relationship with domestic 
terrorist Bill Ayers.
The Obama site acknowledges that its candidate and Ayers ”served on
the board of an education-reform organization in the mid-1990s,” but
maintains most stories about the links between Obama and Ayers
are phony or exaggerated.
It does not mention that Obama and Ayers worked together on the
board distributing millions of dollars with the aim of radicalizing Chicago
schoolchildren.
Nor does the site acknowledge that Obama kicked off his first political
campaign in the living room of Ayers, the former Weather Underground
leader. (Obama is currently saying it was not the first event. There is no
dispute that one of Obama’s first political events in his first run for public
office was held in Ayers’ home.)
There is also no dispute the Weather Underground bombed the Pentagon
the Capitol, the home of a New York Supreme Court justice, and a
police station, among other targets. FBI agent Larry Grathwohl, who
infiltrated the group, has recounted Ayers teaching him how to make
bombs and saying, “In the revolution, some innocent people need to die.”
“Smear groups and now a desperate McCain campaign are trying to
connect Barack to William Ayers using age-old guilt by association
techniques . . .” says the Obama Web site.
Actually, McCain and Obama critics are questioning why Obama would
continue to associate with a man who, as recently as 2001, said he did
not do enough and wished he had bombed more.
Conservatives also note that if Ayers had bombed abortion clinics, the
liberal media would brand him a pariah forever. What does it tell us about
the liberal media’s and Obama’s judgment and values that they see
nothing wrong with embracing unrepentant terrorist Ayers today?
Claim No. 3: Obama takes advice from executives of troubled mortgage
backer Fannie Mae.
“John McCain started smearing Obama about non-existent ties to Fannie
Mae in some of his deceptive attack ads,” says FightTheSmears.com.
The site downplays connections between Obama and two former heads
of the giant mortgage-backing institution — James A. Johnson and Franklin
D. Raines — whose corruption played a key role in the current financial
crisis.
But an editorial in the Aug. 27, 2008, Washington Post described Johnson
and Raines, as “members of Mr. Obama’s political circle.”
Raines advised the Obama campaign on housing matters. Obama chose
Johnson to select his vice presidential running mate. But because neither
are advising Obama today, this Web site’s present-tense claim that he
 “doesn’t [not didn’t] take advice from Fannie Mae execs” is technically,
if deceptively, true.
Johnson also reportedly helped raise as much as $500,000 for Obama’s
campaign.
And despite Obama’s lack of seniority in the U.S. Senate, he pocketed
more than $105,000 in political contributions, the third-highest amount
given to any lawmaker, directly from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Obama’s Web site leaves all this unmentioned.
Claim No. 4: Obama has close ties with the Association of Community
Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), a group suspected of massive
voter registration fraud.
Obama’s site says the candidate was never an ACORN employee and
that ACORN “was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter
registration drive [Obama] ran in 1992.”
In defending Obama, the site resorts to smearing former Ohio Secretary
of State Ken Blackwell — calling him a “discredited Republican voter-
suppression guru” — for daring to fight the vote fraud so often associated
with operatives of ACORN, among the largest radical groups in the United
States.
As Newsmax has documented in ["Clever Obama Tries To Bury ACORN
Past,"] Obama’s Web site is attempting to deceive when it says Obama
was never “hired” to work as a trainer for ACORN’s leaders. In fact, he
did the work for free from at least 1993 until 2003.
ACORN spokesman Lewis Goldberg acknowledges in the Oct. 11, 2008,
New York Times that Obama trained ACORN leaders. And Obama
worked as a lawyer for ACORN.
As to heading up Project Vote in Illinois, Obama said during a speech to
ACORN leaders last November, "[When] I ran the Project Vote voter
registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack-dab in the middle of it.”
Veteran journalist Karen Tumulty described Project Vote in the Oct. 18,
2004, issue of Time magazine as “a nonpartisan arm of the Association
of Community Organizations for Reform Now” after interviewing its national
director.
The co-founder of ACORN, former Students for a Democratic Society
official Wade Rathke, described Project Vote as one of ACORN’s
“family of organizations.”
Over the years, ACORN and its front groups, like the one Obama ran in
Illinois, have registered more than 4 million voters. When authorities in
Virginia checked ACORN registrations, it found that 83 percent were
fraudulent or had problems. This, in theory, could mean ACORN may
have created the opportunity for stealing more than 3.3 million votes in
this November’s election, a margin far wider than that by which Obama
is likely to win.
Claim No. 5: Obama has shown only wavering support for individual
gun-ownership rights.
“During Barack’s career in the Illinois and United States Senates, he
proudly stood to defend the rights of hunters and sportsmen,” says
Obama’s Web site, “while doing everything he could to protect children
— including his own two daughters — from illegal gun violence.”
But the National Rifle Association, it continues, “is distributing a dishonest
and cowardly flyer that makes confrontational accusations and runs
away from verifying them.”
Actually, the NRA does a meticulous job of laying out documentation,
as Newsmax reported in September ["NRA to Fight Obama Over Gun
Rights Flip-Flops,"] to show that Obama has supported handgun
confiscation; the handgun ban in Washington, D.C.; a virtual ban on
high-powered rifle ammunition; and many other draconian restrictions
on Second Amendment rights.
If elected, wrote the NRA, Obama “would be the most anti-gun president
in American history.”
Claim No. 6: A fervent supporter of abortion rights, Obama supports
 late-term and partial-birth abortions.
The Obama Web site dismisses such criticism as the work of “radical
anti-abortion ideologues running ads against Barack.”
But as an Illinois state senator, Obama voted repeatedly against
legislation to protect infants who, during a late-term abortion, were
“born alive.” Such protection, he has argued, already exists in Illinois;
it does, but is subject to the abortionist’s decision whether such an
infant has a good likelihood of survival.
Nurses have reported instances in which surviving aborted babies
were left by abortionists to die without water, food, or warmth.
Obama’s Web site notes that even the Republican author of one of
these bills, former state Sen. Rick Winkel, has written that “none of
those who voted against [his bill] favored infanticide.”
True, but Obama’s site does not quote the rest of Winkel’s statement: 
“[T]heir zeal for pro-choice dogma was clearly the overriding force
behind their negative votes rather than concern that my bill would protect
babies who are born alive.”
Obama has a 100 percent pro-choice voting record according to
NARAL Pro-Choice America; his rating from the National Right to Life
Committee is zero.
How extreme is Obama on this issue? In the U.S. Senate, he has voted
against bills that would prohibit minors from crossing state lines for
abortion without parental notification.
"Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” Obama has
said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they
make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."
Claim No. 7: Obama showed little interest or support for American combat
troops during his overseas visits.
Doubts about Obama’s true support for the military cropped up during a
campaign trip to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Europe.
A widely circulated e-mail, penned by Army Capt. Jeffrey S. Porter,
described Obama's visit to Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan: “As the Soldiers
lined up to shake his hand, he blew them off . . . He again shunned the
opportunity to talk to soldiers to thank them for their service . . . I swear
we got more thanks from the NBA basketball players or the Dallas
Cowboy Cheerleaders than from [Obama].”
Porter later recanted, sending a follow-up e-mail that said, in part: “After
checking my sources, information that was put out in my e-mail was
wrong.” He did not specify which information was wrong, leading Obama
skeptics to suspect that this officer has been disciplined by his superiors.
Heading home, Obama touched down in Germany, where he “was scheduled
to visit the American hospitals at Ramstein and Landstuhl.” But as The
Washington Post reported, Obama “canceled the trips after being told by
Pentagon officials that he could only visit in his official capacity as a senator,
not as a candidate” and could not have his visits with hospitalized soldiers
videotaped by the media.
Prominent liberal mainstream media reporters such as NBC’s Andrea
Mitchell rushed to defend Obama, saying that the press had never planned
to cover his visits to military sickbeds. But Obama canceled both visits and
used his free time instead to shoot hoops, with the media recording his best
shots.
Claim No. 8: Barack Obama is a Muslim.
FightTheSmears.com states bluntly that Obama is a Christian, not a follower
of Islam.
In fact, Barack Hussein Obama’s Kenyan father was raised Muslim, though
he reportedly was not religious.
His mother divorced and remarried another man, a Muslim from Indonesia.
As a youngster in Indonesia, Barack Obama attended two schools and was
registered at both as a Muslim. He received religious instruction in both
schools as a Muslim, including studying the Quran. According to a childhood
friend, Obama occasionally attended services at a local mosque.
Obama’s Muslim upbringing has been detailed in a 2007 Los Angeles Times
report (reprinted in The Baltimore Sun) headlined "Islam an Unknown Factor
in Obama Bid." Middle East expert Daniel Pipes has studied the question
of Obama’s Muslim faith and says he is “lying” when he says he was never
a Muslim.
It’s important to note that Obama’s Web site does not say he was never
a Muslim. But in the past, Obama’s site and FightTheSmears.com did
make the claim Obama was never a Muslim. Since that claim is obviously
false, it is no longer used.
Obama says he became a Christian in his late 20s. He now describes
himself as Christian. Until recently, he spent two decades as a member of a
Chicago United Church of Christ congregation that embraces Black
Liberation theology. Somewhat like the Roman Catholic liberation theology
of Latin America, the Chicago UCC church preaches elements of neo-Marxist
class warfare. It combines these radical socialist elements with black racialism.
Claim No. 9: As president, Obama would raise taxes dramatically for most
Americans.
Millions of Americans recognize that Obama is likely to raise taxes. But like
a good conjurer, who tricks you into watching his right hand while doing things
with his left, the Obama Web site assures readers with a red herring.
The Illinois senator will not tax your water, as claimed in some fringe e-mails,
FightTheSmears.com maintains.
What Obama will do, however, is tax businesses and capital gains more heavily,
even though America already has the world’s second-highest business taxes.
“Now our opponents tell you not to worry about their tax increases” said former
Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson at the 2008 Republican National Convention.
“They tell you they are not going to tax your family. No, they’re just going to
tax businesses! So unless you buy something from a business, like groceries
or clothes or gasoline . . . or unless you get a paycheck from a big or a small
business, don’t worry. It’s not going to affect you.”
During his campaign, Obama has promised to raise various taxes that will fall
on most economic classes, including the dividend tax, the FICA tax cap, the
capital gains tax, the estate tax, and new taxes on gasoline.
He also called for the Bush tax cuts to expire in 2010, which will automatically
raise taxes on most Americans. By letting the Bush cuts expire, Obama would
produce a $2 trillion tax increase that some economists predict will rumble
through the already weakened economy like an earthquake.
Claim No. 10: Obama was born outside the United States and is ineligible for
the presidency.
The Obama Web site dismisses the claim that the candidate was born
anywhere but in the United States as “completely false” and “groundless.”
As proof, the Obama’s campaign has produced a “certificate of live birth”
from Hawaii indicating that Barack Hussein Obama II was born Aug. 4,
1961. Critics, however say the document could have easily been forged
and is not a substitute for a certified birth certificate.
No reporter has been allowed to see the original certificate of live birth or
its certificate number, which is blacked out on copies of it on the Obama site.
Skeptics note that Obama’s “Father’s Race” is identified on this document
as “African,” a geographic and modern politically correct term rather than
a 1961 racial designation. The standard term used on American birth
certificates until the U.S. Census changed it in 1980 would have been “Negro.”
Former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania, Philip J. Berg, a Democrat
with mixed credibility (he has supported conspiracy theories involving 9/11),
has filed a lawsuit to force Obama to produce a certified copy of his birth
certificate. According to Berg, Obama’s paternal grandmother has said
she was present at his birth in Kenya, after which his mother promptly
returned with her baby to the United States.
If that is true, Obama could be constitutionally ineligible to be president.
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Re: BCN NEWS SAY CALIFORNIA MAN FORECASTS OBAMA SYMPATHY VOTE
10/22/2008 11:13:31 AM
Hi Joe,

It looks like there is quite the stir in here .. figures the libby's can't handle the truth.

Here is a few words of wisdom from Sir Winston Churchill! I feel they are befitting !

  "Nothing is more costly, nothing is more sterile, than vengeance."

  "Some men change their party for the sake of their principles; others their principles for the sake of their party."

"No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism."

"Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart, and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain."

"If I was your wife Sir, I'd poison you! Madam, if you were my wife, I'd let you!"


As for Gabby her character speaks for itself .. she is very much a loving kind women and has very high standards, morals and values. unlike some here in adland that come in forums only to create havoc especially when the truth about their new found messiah is spoken. She might have chosen her words more carefully but her intent was not vicious as she has been portrayed .

Evelyn .. kudos .. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Geketa




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Re: BCN NEWS SAY CALIFORNIA MAN FORECASTS OBAMA SYMPATHY VOTE
10/22/2008 11:42:16 AM

Hi Geketa:

Within every discussion, there must be that moment when we allow a bit of comic relief. So, let me offer some here... and based on your use of the word " libby "

Libby's - Get Back to the Table

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