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Re: bipartinship ? How is this possible ?
10/7/2008 7:28:43 AM

Hi Lee and all,

Good question and some good thoughts.  I would like to give you the most simplest answer possible in explaining what has happened with our political friends.  The reason everything has gone so bipartisan and governing for the political crowd is that the common everyday person has quit.  It is that simple!

How many of the people you know are stuck behind a TV every day?  How many waste their time doing things that will not help them or others improve their futures?  How many write or call their representatives each week?  How many attend political functions in their areas?  How many try to ask the person in political office questions directly? 

You see, the majority of us don't do the things necessary to keep our elected politicians in check.  Here is a website that every American should have bookmarked:  http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
The people have quit communicating to the politicians so the politicians have quit listening.

Like for instance during the bailout speeches, one speech stood out to me (not to pick on anyone in particular, but these thoughts fit our discussion)...
"During this evening’s Senate vote, Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) explains that she received 91,000 calls and emails, with 85,000 of them opposed to the measure. Even armed with the knowledge that 93% of her constituents passionate enough to contact her office pleaded for her to vote “nay”, she votes in favor of the bill, claiming that “there is a great deal of confusion out there” and these people “don’t understand” the situation."
Our politicians no longer thing WE THE PEOPLE understand issues.  Maybe it is justified?

We can CHANGE this, by how often we communicate with our elected officials.  Don't just write, email and call the Federal officials, call your locals too.  I believe that WE can change the venue of politics, by being optimistic and involved.

GET INVOLVED!

Joe


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Re: bipartinship ? How is this possible ?
10/7/2008 9:12:28 AM

Agreed,

Well stated Joe, and exactly right, and this is the problem with our broken two party system, we the people are not being represented honestly, never mind the fact we are not being respected at all by all these politicians.

The real issue is as you stated, our representatives are not listening to the people, they are nothing more than bobble heads which largely follow their party with no care what we think.

It is more than obvious this bail out has done nothing to help the people, just look at the markets, it went down 800 more points and although it came back a little, it is an out of control situation, and all those bobble heads who voted for bail out are the real ones to blame.

There is enough blame to go around in both parties, but the bottom line is we no longer matter, just look at this massive debt which is being piled on our shoulders, no matter what party line you vote on, you are going to be hit with the responsibility to cover this bail out, so remember that when you vote next time, check who voted no, and forget party lines, vote based on what you know, not what these lying bobble heads are saying as to reason why they voted yes. 

A yes vote was nothing more than a coverup of truth.  If people knew the real reason for bailout, they would be outraged, and this truth will come out sooner of later, but as most think it was to bail out wallstreet and banking, it was really about bailing out all those who bought this toxic subprime junk, and this includes more of the world banks, so although it was the wanstreet hedge funds that started finacial collapse, this bail out was for world banks, not U.S. banks. 

As you hopefully know, we are a debtor nation, we owe trillions, and when world banks were threatening to call in their loans, the U.S. economy would have totally collapsed, so this was the real reason to first bail out world banks and buy back this toxic hedge fund mess which world banks mandated the U.S. do first, and this is why the $810B was needed right away.  If not, then the tillions in debt would be called in, and guess what, the U.S. can't cover paying back trillions overnight.  So when the truth comes out, remember which bobble head politicians sold us all out.   

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Re: bipartinship ? How is this possible ?
10/7/2008 10:36:34 AM

Greetings All

   I can no longer blame the shortcomings of our government on the unwillingness of The People to participate in political affairs. This may have been the case a decade or two ago but not now. The people of this nation have risen up in numbers not seen since the 1960's. We do recognize the danger that we are in as a free nation and we are speaking out in hugh numbers but, we are being ignored to the point of being just  another oppressed nation of whiners. While impeachment has been off the table according to Nancy Pelosi, it has been very much on the table according to "The People". Just look at the number of sites on the search engines where impeachment is clearly on the table of " The People". Why is nobody listening?

1 - 10 of 15,500,000 for impeach bush and cheney  yahoo search engines

 Results 1 - 10 of about 644,000 for impeach bush and cheney google search engines

    During the reign of the present administration we have witnessed the single largest assault on our constitution in our entire history. Our government now openly violates constitutional law, the Geneva Convention and virtually every other law known to mankind. Through the use of " presidential signing statements " President Bush has systematically dissolved nearly all laws of the land and has reduced the powers of the congress to the point of being little more than two roomfulls of rubber stamps.

http://www.coherentbabble.com/signingstatements/TOCindex.htm

   To really understand what has been happening with our government and our future as a free nation , I believe we only have to look in two places. First, the signing statements above.  2nd, we need to look at the provisions established in the  FEMA REX 84 Doctrine. After comparing the objectives of the FEMA REX 84 project with the signing statements of G.W. Bush, I believe it will become very clear to anyone, which direction we are being led in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

Now, one final thought. Considering the implications laid out in the signing statements and the rex 84 project, doesn't the recent bailout bill take on a whole new light. Doesn't it appear to have been designed to create the kind of civil unrest that could lead us to a declaration of martial law. The original bill went directly against the will of 93% of " The People ". Then they rewrote it and added another 150 billion dollars worth of pork just to make sure that " We The People " strongly opposed the bill.  What would anger " The People " more than taking their homes and their retirement accounts? Where will the millions of people go who have lost their homes and life savings? Is there a FEMA camp in your neighborhood?

Sincerely, Billdaddy

May a smile follow you to sleep each night and,,,,,be there waiting,,,,,when you awaken http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/8212/ShowForum.aspx Sincerely, Billdaddy
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Re: bipartinship ? How is this possible ?
10/7/2008 11:37:29 AM

Hi Lee and all,

Commenting on the American Dream concern that you brought up.  The American Dream is being achieved by many these days.  I have to admit that for a while in my life that I was not anywhere close to being on that road to achieving my dream.  One day, I woke up!  I realized that waiting for someone else to make decisions for the things that I should do in order to get there was a big waste of time and effort.  It was always their dream that was the target. 

I refocused my efforts, my purpose and my plan, of course.  I got up off of my arse and created thoughts in my mind that would lead me to my path to achievement.  During this time, I realized that there are many government officials that do not care if I achieve my dream or not. 

Now here is where those that are optimistic about achieving their dreams and those that just want to complain about not being able too part ways.   I use to blame the government laws on taxes, licenses, and all that stuff.  It was different parties and politicians!  A voice in mind was screaming, "WAKE UP FOOL!"  I stopped listening to the nay sayers and started opening my mind to those who were achieving!  Guess what?  The universe began flowing achievement my way!  Halelujah!!!

No matter what the tax laws are, one can create wealth.  Sometimes it takes a bit more elbow grease.  The questions I have about the American Dream, for myself, is "What are you going to do with your wealth?"  With wealth, I intend to employ others in hopes to teach them the same methods.  I intend to help feed thousands of the starving around this world.  I intend to provide charitable contributions to special causes to help eliviate hardships for others.  I intend to become influencial with political candidates to help put back ethics and doing "the right thing" in their mantras.

Being involved isn't something that is responded to next week by politicians.  It takes months to years to make a difference and neither are our efforts in working towards our Dreams.  If we want to achieve our Dreams Lee, then we must act partisan towards the goals necessary.  Bipartisan actions would be in answering the famous question, "To be or not to be?" with an indecisive answer.

So, open your minds to those that "do the right thing" and you will too!

Lee, I hope this response is sticking with your discussion.  If not, let me know.  :)

Joe



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Re: bipartinship ? How is this possible ?
10/7/2008 11:59:55 AM

Joe !

Awesome my friend you hit it and so right on ....

"No matter what the tax laws are, one can create wealth.  Sometimes it takes a bit more elbow grease.  The questions I have about the American Dream, for myself, is "What are you going to do with your wealth?"  With wealth, I intend to employ others in hopes to teach them the same methods.  I intend to help feed thousands of the starving around this world.  I intend to provide charitable contributions to special causes to help eliviate hardships for others.  I intend to become influencial with political candidates to help put back ethics and doing "the right thing" in their mantras.

Being involved isn't something that is responded to next week by politicians.  It takes months to years to make a difference and neither are our efforts in working towards our Dreams.  If we want to achieve our Dreams Lee, then we must act partisan towards the goals necessary.  Bipartisan actions would be in answering the famous question, "To be or not to be?" with an indecisive answer.

So, open your minds to those that "do the right thing" and you will too!

Lee, I hope this response is sticking with your discussion.  If not, let me know. Smiley

Joe

The American Dream our daily achievement's as a whole "Our Lives"  is what makes bipartinship possible ! Thank you Joe  Gods speed :-) Lee


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