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RE: The World Commonality Organisation
11/8/2009 3:41:24 PM

Branka,

Thank you for your understanding.

Peter,

Thank you for contributing here.

I understand fully what you say. I will consider your words deeply before repying, as some would see only a revengeful and entrenched view but I know this not to be true.

You prove by your other comments here that you have a tolerant and humanistic side.

Please have patience with me while I consider my reply.

Roger

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RE: The World Commonality Organisation
11/8/2009 7:01:41 PM
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Branka,

Thank you for your understanding.

Peter,

Thank you for contributing here.

I understand fully what you say. I will consider your words deeply before repying, as some would see only a revengeful and entrenched view but I know this not to be true.

You prove by your other comments here that you have a tolerant and humanistic side.

Please have patience with me while I consider my reply.

Roger

ROGER,

REALLY NOTHING TO THANK ME FOR.

Maybe this is not gramatically, but is heartfelt.

Love you very much,

B.

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RE: The World Commonality Organisation
11/8/2009 8:33:17 PM
Hi Roger,

I would trust in a medical PROFESSIONAL, if I was a doctor, I would fix whoever is in front of me, because that is the job of a doctor. I trust my dentist to fix my teeth, even if I would insult her, or say something such as "I was your cleaning lady and did a crummy job of cleaning your offices so badly that you left me a note about how it wasn't clean!" I would still trust her completely to fix my teeth because she knows my life calling was not to be a cleaning lady, she knows she is a professional dentist and I am a web-designer who spent some earlier time in a job that was not right for me. When we are in the job we want, we do it excellently, regardless if the person in front of us is a criminal, he has a mother and grandmother who always love him, and that's enough reason. People do change with time, I think everyone is worth saving at a professional level and at the human level, there is no fairness in a human world, there's only hope.

<< Could you be the nurse or doctor who has to treat and help that man who killed his colleagues? Somebody has to do that with compassion. It might lead to some eventual justice, but, it requires love at the time. >>


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RE: The World Commonality Organisation
11/9/2009 1:08:08 AM
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In the last few days, America felt the shock of their own troops under fire on their own soil.

In the last few days British troops were killed by another who had posed as a friend but proved otherwise.

IT IS EASY TO MAKE KNEE-JERK REACTIONS.

IT IS EASY TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED UPON PRESUMPTIONS.

It is not so easy to SEE or FEEL the things that led these people to such inhuman acts.

This thought has nothing to do with forgiveness but more towards finding a solution.

We all throw that word LOVE around (and mean it) but put a price on it's head, usually of expectation. We love to see our love accepted but so often seek it in return.

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Consider this:

Could you be the nurse or doctor who has to treat and help that man who killed his colleagues? Somebody has to do that with compassion. It might lead to some eventual justice, but, it requires love at the time.

There will be enquiries but that will never establish if there might have been another way for that misguided person to obtain what they wanted.

What is it that we might (too horrible for some to consider) SHARE with those murdering individuals.

Was their call "It's not fair!"? It so often is.

Please take time to suppress hatred and do what is needed by you to find common ground.

Let this forum be a beacon of peace an harmony.



Hi Roger,

Interesting thread and idea but I have to disagree with having anything in common with a Jihadi terrorist.

Action taken cos of radical brain washing and propaganda is alien to me and I find no commonality with it. The teachings of Islam and especially radical Islam is alien to me and I have nothing in common with people that yearn for my death, yours and all us infidels. Read what this person's said and done in the past and you'll find that it was a planned action with dire consequences.

Now, many might disagree with me but an injured terrorist deserves medical treatment the same as any other individual does. In Israel our hospitals are filled with injured terrorists that receive the best treatment available.

Some might think and in a way rightly so that treating and bringing them back to health might in the long term be detrimental to the safety of the country but never the less they do receive the best of treatment.

Now in regard to the UN I can only say it's a house of shame, run and controlled by the worst offenders of human rights in the world. Again I have nothing in common with them.

That said, I will say that regardless of my abhorrence of all that Islam stands for many of my very good friends for many years are Arabs both Muslim and Christian. This is not a contradiction cos I can relate to the man with out having anything in common with his religious beliefs.

Shalom,

Peter

Peter,

I have had time to consider and formulate a reply. Then I threw out the reply. It has to come straight from me to the keyboard.

That you consider you have nothing in common with an extremist terrorist is not only understandable but I have to say "If I was living under the threat of rocket attack, aimed indiscriminately at me and anybody within it's range I would probably feel the same."

I have had the opportunity to speak to self-styled military murderers of the former Irish Republican Army and those on the opposing Loyalist force. Their was a mutual hatred which, like yourself, saw no common ground, no trust, no reason to deal with the murder motivated terrorist or state that they had been taught to hate through upbringing and observation.

However, when I put the same ten questions to each in separate places, both agreed completely with five points and agreed with different reasons to two more. I know that this would be similar in the case of yourself but I understand that it would be impossible to test in a face-to-face situation.

With the fundementalists, what I don't understand or know is the REAL aim of the individual who kills like this. Is there a purely selfish ideal that thinks that personal salvation is assured by doing God's will in killing infidels. Is theirs a conviction that their dream of a future Muslim world can only happen if all infidels are disposed of or subjugated? I don't know. I only see what I read.

There is a chunking up process used in phsychology and NLP which can be used to find common ground. ONLY when common ground is found can a settlement even be dreamed of. Things are VERY far from that at present.

I do not aim to get into a Muslim, Jewish, Christian etc etc discussion as I wish to establish a wider base for agreement between reasonable nations and individuals. I want to start from a position of sameness, I am a human being. I have certain needs, food,water, shelter etc. We have to start at that baby step point and then ask why. I need food. For what purpose? To grow and thrive. For what purpose? etc.

This way we find not only common ground but crossovers of belief.

Will it take generations? I can't answer that, but we need to start somewhere.

Many, not all, of the people cutting down virgin forest do so to survive but in turn threaten others just as directly as those with guns and many feel justified. Until we discover that we have to share and agree to share we will NEVER win.

I am not lecturing, even if it feels that way, but it is as my thought come that I write. I am not saying that I have all of the answers but I know that history shows me that their is only one way and that way is through commonality,

Spirituality has never been more closely related worldwide, yet, never further divided than it is today, but, I refuse to accept that war is the only way. However, defence is understandable.

Peter. I am so proud of you that you share wide friendships with those of other persuations and I'm not being patronising. That in itself says much for there are moderate voices in all religions and nations.

Please everyone, continue to pray, to meditate, to commune in whatever way is yours and ask that we can start to build a world where we celebrate diversity yet cherish commonality.

Roger

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RE: The World Commonality Organisation
11/9/2009 1:18:45 AM

"Please everyone, continue to pray, to meditate, to commune in whatever way is yours and ask that we can start to build a world where we celebrate diversity yet cherish commonality.

Roger"

Beautiful.

Thank you Roger.

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