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Scott Reynolds

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Re: Gas-Saving Products: Fact or Fuelishness?
5/18/2008 9:57:01 AM
Hi Kenneth,

I am a mechanic so have been interested in these products for a while. I have used a few that I chose by educated guess as the most likely to work. I run an older vehicle which makes a difference also.
New computer controlled vehicles are programed to run on the fuel we are sold at the pump. Improving the burn ability of the fuel can make them run worse with less mileage unless the computer is reprogramed to compensate for it.

I still use a catalyst combined with strict driving habits and synthetic lubricants  to gain some mileage. Some friends (and customers) using the same products saw little or no results. I may have a little advantage being a mechanic and having a feel for the way my vehicle is running and they had newer cars.
As for saving money?  Maybe a little here and there but the additives and synthetic lubricants costs generally balance out with any savings.

These "wonder products" are just a patch at best. Better planning, habits, and maintenance with use of non petroleum products and alternate fuels where possible  won't cost you as much in the long run. Here is a CBS News story that I think sums it up pretty well.

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Re: Gas-Saving Products: Fact or Fuelishness?
5/18/2008 3:39:18 PM

Dear Jenny,

The ones that work are often the ones that know the tech while the ones you hear about are the ones with a big marketing budget.

I know Scott understands by his stating that "improving the burn ability"  also means that the fuel is not burnt completely under standard combustion.  If it was, there would be no need for any fuel saving devices as we would all be getting maximum benefits straight from the pump.

Carbon chains in the fuel bundle and tangle.  This prevents the oxygen accessing all of the carbons for combustion, resulting in smoke, emissions and loss of power over time as the unburnt fuel builds up carbon in the engine.

To understand more about this and how different products address it, see the post I put in Kenneth's other fuel thread Save on Gas.  It is important to understand why we need fuel treatments and additives, what we can achieve from them and how they work.  Also to understand what damage can be caused by some of the products and why not to buy them or how they can work together. 

I will be happy to help you understand if I can, not just about Dipetane Fuel Treatment, but any other product you are offered.

Read Kenneth's other thread first and please let me know if it helps.

Best Wishes to you all


Re: Gas-Saving Products: Fact or Fuelishness?
5/18/2008 4:05:07 PM
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Mark Gibson

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Re: Gas-Saving Products: Fact or Fuelishness?
5/19/2008 7:51:11 AM

Hello Kenneth,

It's been a while since you have heard from me but I had to put my 2 cents worth in here.

Just last month I bought over $650 worth of fuel for my truck and chances are my wife spent somewhere around $400 to $450 for her van.  YES, We do a lot of driving.  It comes with our jobs.

The thing is I have tried 5 different products that claim to give you better gas mileage that you can buy from MLM/networking companies.  I only joined the first one because I knew the lady telling me about what the product did for her.  BUT, it didn't work in my truck.  Neither did the next 3 products.  I had a gentlemen from St. Louis send me a product and I tried it and did see an 8% increase in my MPG.  Then I ordered some and he sent me another product that was to put the sulfer back in to my diesle fuel to give me better lubrication for the engine.  To my suprise I have gained 14% in MPG.  I am only oon my 4th tank so far using these products so I am still in test mode at this time.

But here is a story you guys might read to learn some ways to SAVE ON GAS!

I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in California we are also paying higher, up to $3.50 per gallon. But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon..
Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose , CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons.
Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role.
A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.                    
When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3)stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some other liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.                    
One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount.
Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being
delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom. Hope this will help you get the most value for your money.
Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor.
An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS.
Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.
Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.
I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil.
These companies import Middle Eastern oil:  
Shell...........................205,742,000 barrels  
Chevron/Texaco.........144,332,000 barrels  
Exxon /Mobil...............130,082,000 barrels  
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels
Citgo gas is from South America, from a Dictator who hates Americans. If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! (oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel
Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco..................0 barrels
Conoco..................0 barrels
Sinclair.................0 barrels
B P/Phillips............0 barrels
Hess.......................0 barrels
ARC0....................0 barrels  

If you go to, you will get a list of the station locations near you. All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state
where they get their oil and how much they are importing. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. It's really simple to do.
Now, don't wimp out at this point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)...and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) .. and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers !!!!!!! If those three
million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!
If it goes one level further, you guessed it ..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. How long would all that take?


Thanks folks.


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Mark Gibson


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