Tim, you confirmed what I have been advocating for a long long time, e-mails are like shooting a shootgun shell at a 6" wide board at 50'. I haven't read an e-mail that the person didn't thint they had the golden tail of a golden calf and these so called GURU doesn't care if his program workes or not, just as long as he/she gets the sign up fee's. That is the reason I don't send e-mails, I send replies to the sender and that way it is not spam and they are courous who is repling to them

Good Morning Tim:


I have been following this forum since it was created and I hope you don't mind if I post again.
One of the  messages of this forum to me was to say very simply....if you want to talk to a person then develop a relationship first, don't throw an advertisement in a persons face.  You will be deleted!
Here is a good analogy of what I am trying to get through -
You have a friend who has gotten a new gadget that they are really enjoying. You both talk and share about this gadget and you get to see what it does, how it works and you go..wow not bad and you go out and get it, because you trusted your friend and you got good information.  Now same gadget different scenario... you are walking down the street and this person comes up to you, maybe you have seen them around, they might be familiar..or maybe not...they have this gadget and get in your face..they don't explain anything but they keep  saying something like this.. "hey man see what i got?".."good price".."ya it works great"..."aww come one..you will love it"..."it will make you rich.".."whats your problem..don't you trust me?"  hmmm...what do you think? Personally I am going to say Get Lost!  Number one I don't know you, you have said nothing of value to me in fact I would say..wow...who do you think you are?  You have said nothing credible, you didn't even explain what this gadget was or how it could really help me..it is just a gadget!
Forum marketing, email marketing, safelist marketing and targeted marketing  takes learning how to do properly, it takes strategy as well as learning techniques and yes even time managment.
Thanks for letting me talk on this..to me it was important to clarify ..or I hope I did.

Oh! as for the second announcement...Tim in keeping with your "rant" I think it is good to say that members of Adland are more than welcome to deveop a relationship with us, get to know us and talk to us about Success Patrol.  We do believe very strongly in being  honest and talking openly.

To Our Success,

Diane

Hi Shirley,

Thanks for that. Let me highly recommend you take advantage of the FREE signup, confirm your application, and check the place out.

Join our Training Conferences and see what great benefits we offer even the free members.
We follow a "hands on" approach, where we take a vested interest in your success, and we hold nothing back in making sure we've done our best to help you.

If you're wanting TRUE success, if you really want to make money online and are willing to put in the effort, then I am positive that we can improve over your present results.
Most important, and this really ties in with the topic of this forum, is that we really focus on the Social Networking aspects of marketing.

Hi J.V. (James)

Verify with Veretekk, ;-)

Yes James, I'm quite familiar with that system, and I've actually seen a few people that had success with that process, but really..just a FEW. Overall FreeFFA's don't work, at least using the obvious approaches.

Again this brings us full circle to the topic at hand. You may get "verefy's" but do you get CUSTOMERS? A list is no good if they don't respond and they don't buy. I'd rather have 100 buyers than 100,000 unresponsive list members.

Reverse marketing is one method yes, but it's ineffective for the most part unless you've built some basis of trust and confidence on their part in what you have to say. Just responding to their advertisement with your own back at them is a waste of time. All you end up doing is sending advertisments back and forth. Kind of like playing badminton but without the benefit of exercise.

Developing a relationship with that person though is another matter.

What people dislike about Social Networking is that it TAKES TIME. You really have to put in some effort, because it's work to respond to comments in forums and respond in a personal way to someone's advertisement, or to create a thoughtful blog post, or answer someone's question in a forum, HOWEVER, as I truly believe you get back what you put into it, taking the easy route only leads you away from Success, where the hard work moves your business ever closer to Success!

Understanding what your business REALLY is, is also a critical component. Too often people think of their affiliate link as their business, and that's wrong wrong wrong. That's someone ELSE'S business!
Your business is YOU, and your various affiliations are only aspects of that business (hopefully supporting aspects).

Anyway..time to get off my soapbox ..lol
I've got a Business to run ;-)

Best regards all!

Tim,

Not much more can be vented here that has not already been addressed , Spam has and will always be a issue more so when programs continue to offer bulk mailing services to its members . Here in Adland I remove spam post and do my best to lead the poster in the direction of a more successful way to show their goods/services but not be the main focus (subject) of their postings as seen right here in your forum :-) Thank you for the invite my friend ,my best to your continued success Gods speed :-) Lee