Subject: FYI Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:38:17 -0700 Gore gets a cold shoulder Steve Lytte October 14, 2007 ONE of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize "ridiculous" and the product of "people who don't understand how the atmosphere works". Dr William Gray, a pioneer in the science of seasonal hurricane forecasts, told a packed lecture hall at the University of North Carolina that humans were not responsible for the warming of the earth. His comments came on the same day that the Nobel committee honoured Mr Gore for his work in support of the link between humans and global warming. "We're brainwashing our children," said Dr Gray, 78, a long-time professor at Colorado State University. "They're going to the Gore movie [An Inconvenient Truth] and being fed all this. It's ridiculous." At his first appearance since the award was announced in Oslo, Mr Gore said: "We have to quickly find a way to change the world's consciousness about exactly what we're facing." Mr Gore shared the Nobel prize with the United Nations climate panel for their work in helping to galvanise international action against global warming. But Dr Gray, whose annual forecasts of the number of tropical storms and hurricanes are widely publicised, said a natural cycle of ocean water temperatures - related to the amount of salt in ocean water - was responsible for the global warming that he acknowledges has taken place. However, he said, that same cycle meant a period of cooling would begin soon and last for several years. "We'll look back on all of this in 10 or 15 years and realise how foolish it was," Dr Gray said. During his speech to a crowd of about 300 that included meteorology students and a host of professional meteorologists, Dr Gray also said those who had linked global warming to the increased number of hurricanes in recent years were in error. He cited statistics showing there were 101 hurricanes from 1900 to 1949, in a period of cooler global temperatures, compared to 83 from 1957 to 2006 when the earth warmed. "The human impact on the atmosphere is simply too small to have a major effect on global temperatures," Dr Gray said. He said his beliefs had made him an outsider in popular science. "It bothers me that my fellow scientists are not speaking out against something they know is wrong," he said. "But they also know that they'd never get any grants if they spoke out. I don't care about grants."     from the office of: Harvey M. Rose 100 W. California Avenue, Ridgecrest, CA 93555 760.499.5001 hrose@ci.ridgecrest.ca.us or hmrose@hmrose.com

Hi Cherry,

thanks for starting this discussion thread here... this shall prove interesting... Although I've not seen the movie Gore came up with, but have heard there are over emphasized points that border on scare tactics according to some critics... much of the science is like all science...

open to scrutiny... that is the scientific process...

That the world is debating science with an audience of its citizens able to have access to the science and information via the internet... is the most wondrous thing. ...

There is no doubt that the weather is changing!
but then it always does... when I was a kid it was so cold and snowy for quite a few years in a row that there was talk of being thrown back into the ice ages...

Now, information says that this heat wave we're having could be the catalyst for the next ice age!

I've even heard that we're still in the end of the last ice age!

What really concerns me is our oceans. There is a real story there and real science that would scare the life out of most if they knew of it!

Beth

Greetings All, The more things change, the more they stay the same. For thousands of years people have argued over everything from butterflies and caterpillars, whether the Earth is still flat, and of course everyone's favorite, the weather. For many years I too have bought into the story that man is responsible for Global-Warming and the effects resulting therefrom. And to a degree, we probably are. But I agree with Dr's Gray and Harvey. Recently, much evidence has surfaced to support the theory in either direction. But in the end it is up to each one of us to look at the evidence and suggestions and read bwetween the lines, then from that make a logical decision conerning our assumptions. If anyone here is REALLY curious as to what may be going on with our climate changes, then look at the articles archived on http://www.Space.com. Science has almost proven that the real culprit is not Man and his blatant disregard for the Environment, although like I said earlier we probably are partially to blame. If you look farther into the great beyond the warming of the Sun itself may really be the problem. And that is something we are not at liberty to correct at the moment. I'm sorry, I don't care how many processors are in your computers or how fast your spaceship is. You are NOT going to change that one unless you are God. The surface of the Sun is approximately 11,000 degrees whereas several decades ago, it was only around 10,500. The exact inside temperature is unknown. So, what has accounted for the increase in the Solar surface? I'll play your silly game, tell me! They aren't really sure but one hypothesis is that the chemical makeup of the elements in the Sun itself are changing and therefore the reaction to that is increased heat levels that effect the entire Solar System, not just Earth. Hey, at this rate, in a few years we won't need a grill to cook Shark... we'll just sit it in the windowsill for 5 or 10 minutes until done. (LOL) For those of you who read my Shark recipe a couple days ago. Yes, we need to work harder on cleaning up the environment, especially in concert with less than ondry nations like China and Germany. The way some companies, organizations, and even some countries carry on, you would think that we already have another planet lined up and ready to live on. We'll just move there as soon as we finish destroying this one, ok. That's all I'm going to say on this at the moment. I hope we as a nation and a people can get our officials to work with the rest of the world and make this world a cleaner, smarter, and better place to live overall. And do it soon, before it really IS too late. Have a good one everybody. Will talk to you later. - - Benster!