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Re: More dirt on GreenZap ... The Beginning ....
2/18/2006 10:40:19 AM
Oh.. speaking of the spam.. Yeah.. I just noticed that too since I've signed up with greenzap... Hmmmmm.. Another thing.. I'm sure having a hard time sponsoring it. Sure it's ok to have a few naysayers but it's another to get completely shot down because of it. Now I'm getting flack from both ends. And plz!!! Don't get me the spill about this info being outdated. We could say the same about Scampay and look what happened. The only thing I will say is that they are publicly trading. That's a plus. So maybe he learned from his mistakes, unlike others. Then again, I don't like their sales tactics. It's been nothing but get in now before it's too late approach. I really don't see what all that has to do with being a payment processor.
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Re: More dirt on GreenZap ... The Beginning ....
2/18/2006 5:32:41 PM
Thank you Ken for the complementary explanation. Here, nowone teach us how to protect ourself on the net. Most people has no clue how to set up an email. I've seen the other posted forum too, but I couldn't figgure out why was there something suspiciouse for you in the beginning. Now as you explained I can see some ???, though I'm not realy ready to do the research alone. I'm not sure what to look for. Or, maybe I don't know the names of some SCAMERS?! But I'll find out for sure, as I won't rest till than. (hope it has sence in English too) So, be sure I'll read all your posts concerning this topic. Hope you're going to post more. Have a nice Sunday :-)
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Re: More dirt on GreenZap ... The Beginning ....
2/19/2006 7:44:29 AM
Several Good Points. Yes, Ken, What are you saying? Are you still promoting GreenZap as your signature line would indicate? Confusion Reigns! ========================================== Kenneth R Sword Jr Co-CEO - Bizzy Blogz http://www.bizzyblogz.com/krsword Copy this link to your RSS Reader: http://www.bizzyblogz.com/rss.php?u=krsword http://www.executive-hosting.biz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DateDotCom.com Bizzy Blogz PayItWithGreenZap
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Re: More dirt on GreenZap ... The Beginning ....
2/19/2006 12:06:45 PM
Ken, if association with Commission Junction is a bad thing, then what about association with Sony, Verizon, Payless Shoes, Marriott Hotels, and Ritz Camera? Those are the latest additions to GreenZap's merchant list. Each and everyone will be accepting webcash. But don't look for them in the GZ Storez just yet, they only just signed the contracts and the ink isn't dry yet. But just as GZ said back in June of 2005 that they would provide a list of merchants who accepted webcash and who knows how many people left because it didn't happen till mid-November, so there will always be nay-sayers who will dig up all sorts of "Facts" and cast all kinds of dispersions on both the integrity of the company and the character of it's founders. Did you know that Commmission Junction was bought out by Value Click? Did you know Value Click is a billion dollar company?? Did you know that GZ has also done a deal with Link Share and that this resulted in another 150 merchants who willingly accepted webcash as a way to drive customers to their online stores? This was in addition to the 500 they originally contracted with Value Click for. Oh, don't bother going to the GZ site and counting up the list of stores and then saying, "Aha, there's only 343 there, so I knew they were liars and cheats"! I have had personal conversations on numerous occassions with the President of Greenzap, Alex Sonkin, and I regularly emailed both him and GZ's CEO, Damon Westmoreland. And I can tell you with certainty that these are men of character and solid ethics. When I first joined they talked about sharing the wealth and I thought that was nice, but doubtful as to whether or not it was sales hype. Then they offered their Gold members the ability to buy their stock at 50%. I sat up and took notice. And when there were many complaints from people who didn't have the $1,000 of cash up front to take advantage, they made a second offer, to accept payment over 10 months, allowing each participating gold member to add up to $1,000 in webcash as part of the purchase price... AND GZ would throw in another $1000 of webcash to boot. That means $3,000 of stock for $1,000 investment. How many companies would do that? Yes, you could look at it from the negative side and say it's self serving... but isn't all business... isn't YOUR business? What they've done is encourage those with limited funds to participate in the American dream. They have said, in essence, if you'll work hard and bring in more memmbers to use our services and buy our merchants products, we're going to reward you too, just like we're rewarding our merchants. Right now their stock is under 10 cents in value. But what will happen when those people who take advantage of this offer buy their stock in 10 months when they've finished paying down that $1,000? First, they'll get the stock at the going price then. Maybe it will be worth 20 cents by then. So they get $3,000 worth of GZ stock at 20 cents a share. That's 15,000 shares. Now I know they are working on some technologies that are going to rock the financial world. They are creating a payment switch that will move money between banks in 3-5 seconds instead of 3-5 days. What do you think will happen when the world discovers they can move money faster (remember, time is money!)? That's right. I can see this stock soaring... maybe not to a Google level of over $400 a share, but I could imagine $20. Now, those people who have never owned stock in their life suddenly have $300,000... that's over a quarter of a million dollars! There are some recent additions to this whole GZ saga that you all should know about. Veretekk is widely acknowledged to be one of the best and most knowledgeable Internet marketers on the planet. They have recently joined forces with GreenZap, creating for them an amazing promotional site, due to launch this Tuesday, Feb. 21st. Here's a preview: http://3circles.greenzap.it Oh, and in a week or two GZ will be officially launching a corporate cash-back program. Members will be able to give away $100 1/2 webcash and 1/2 real cash. Is there a catch? Yes, but it's a small one. People who will take time to fill out a banking survey will get the $50 cash, and if they don't want to give out their info, fine, they can use it as webcash and purchase from GZ's StoreZ. Before I end this message I want to copy what I posted to another forum. It gives a better undertanding of webcash, so you and others can understand just how valuablle it really is. Here's what I wrote: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karen, I understand what happened with StormPay, but GreenZap? You speak of them together in a negative way, but I challenge you to say exactly what is wrong with GreenZap and prove it. I'm getting fed up with all the people on this service who bad mouth what they do not know or understand. Before I joined GreenZap I thoroughly researched all the scam reports on them and found they were without merit. I can speak from experience, not just mine but the several thousand people I have in my downline. Many of them, including myself, are making good money. In just 2 and a half months, that's how many people have joined my GZ Community. During that same period, I've made $1,976 in both cash and webcash (and webcash IS cash, because you get it back as cash, just like a rebate, after the purchase). David, I'm a bit confused by your lack of willingness to back GreenZap, yet you jump right in with Alertpay? Why would I want to get this "Deal" of paying only 2.5% transaction fees with AlertPay, when I can pay NOTHING with GreenZap??? Well, there is a $1 fee per transaction, but GreenZap gives every Gold member who puts up the one-time $100 member fee, $300 in webcash ($50 when you join for free and another $250 when you upgrade)... and webcash can be also be used to pay the $1 transaction fee! Does AlertPay provide over 600 stores that accept webcash? Did Alertpay put together a deal with Expedia and Travelocity, whereby their members can spend their webcash and get another 30% discount off the lowest prices everyone else pays for travel?? Does Alertpay pay back bonuses of up to 52% of what their entire downline pays to Alertpay? Does Alertpay offer to build your downline for you with 20+ orphaned members that signed up at the company site rather than your site? Well, GreenZap did all that and more! Yesterday I had 1000 members and today, after I got the 20+ members promised (actually, I got 32) my downline has more than doubled in size. How can that be? Because GreenZap has an irresistable value proposition that no other company can touch and I have between 50 and 60 gold members in my downline and ALL of them got their promised 20+ members at the saem time!! So, please, if anyone here wants to send out unfounded dispersions on the character or integrity of GreenZap and it's management staff, back up what you say or risk appearing uninformed and lacking in intelligent investigation of the facts.
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Re: More dirt on GreenZap ... The Beginning ....
2/19/2006 4:23:55 PM
Hello Leroy, Ok, the ink is still wet for a few merchants. Here they are copied from GreenZap's website. Sony (GreenZap link) http://www.dpbolvw.net/click-1720668-10384657? Verizon (GreenZap link) http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-1720668-10407848? Payless Shoes (GreenZap link) http://www.tkqlhce.com/click-1720668-10411270? Marriott Hotels (GreenZap link) http://www.tkqlhce.com/click-1720668-10276322? Ritz Camera (GreenZap link) http://www.dpbolvw.net/click-1720668-10395083? Let me clarify what I am saying about CJ and GreenZap. GreenZap has not made deals directly with the merchants. They have applied to Comission Junction to represent these companies the same way you and I can. Each merchant link in Greenzap is a Comission Junction affiliate link. So GreenZap gets the same affiliate benefit that you and I can get. They get paid through CJ for any sales through those links. So that helps create a money pool to offer the "cashback" and GZ is banking on webcash to be a cushion to not deplete to pool from the CJ payments to GZ. The links above are links from GZ website to the merchant (through CJ). They are tracking links so CJ knows who the publisher is and the publisher gets the credit. So when someone tells me that GreenZap made these deals with these merchants that is kind of false. Through CJ this agreemnet is made. I wrote a number of merchants from the list and have recieved only one reply so far from Stamps.com. Here is their reply to my question to them. =========================================== Hello The offer that you describe is not something fulfilled by Stamps.com, although the website that you visited may participate in a program with Stamps.com known as the "affiliate program". This program allows companies with a web site to create a link to Stamps.com. We reward our affiliates with an incentive when they send a customer to us who stays beyond the trial period with their account in good standing. This is the entirety of the offer on our end, and many other Internet companies have similar affiliate programs. So in this case you'll most likely need to provide them with proof that you have paid a Stamps.com service fee and thus kept your account in good standing. As such there are a number of web sites that try to convince their users to sign up with Stamps.com using their link. They may offer free products, service, or/and some sort of prize (for example, "points" that are redeemable for a range of select merchandise). It appears that something similar may have happened in your case. What this would mean is that the web site whose link you used, as opposed to Stamps.com, is the entity who made the offer you describe, and would be thus responsible for fulfilling it. Therefore you'd need to contact that web site, determine if any agreement made between you has been satisfied, and based on that result allow them to take action per any offer they provided. Regards, Customer Care Specialist Stamps.com Internet Postage Original Message Follows: ------------------------- contact_phone: xxx-xxx-xxxx contact_lastname: Sword contact_firstname: Kenneth contact_comments: I noticed you are listed as a merchant through a payment procesor http://www.greenzap.com . I wish to verify this before I use them since they are claiming cashback rewards for purchasing your services through them. Thank you in advance for your reply. Kenneth R Sword Jr customer: no contact_email: xxxxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com contact_issuetype_info_ns: fees =========================================== In reading this the deal in not through the merchant but only by GreenZap. I never said CJ was bad or any of the merchants are bad. I just feel decieved to see that GZ using CJ and claiming that GZ made the deals with these merchants. If I am wrong in questioning this 'method' to get clients than I need to stop using the internet and doing business. Even though each person is responsible for their decisions to join or not, I feel that I should state what I know as fact, no matter how big or small, before I recommend anything to anyone. When it comes to money and banking would you want your funds in a bank in your hometown to also sell cell phones, clothing, food and all? Some will say look at ebay and PayPal. I point out separate websites, databases, corporate structure and all. Not here at GZ. "They are creating a payment switch that will move money between banks in 3-5 seconds instead of 3-5 days." Understanding the banking industry and government regulations this will be a very hard thing to do. Payment clearing houses, the companies that do electronic 'money flow' can't even do this any faster. For money to follow the digital signal it takes time to move cash from institution to institution and the books cannot be resolved until the movement has taken place. I still have resevations to GZ and I am trying to come up with answers the best I can. I wrote them early on about having merchants but no merchant tools since I wanted to place them as payment portal on my website. All I got was an answer that I also read from their site. The tools will be available by summer. I call it as I see it. It is up to each person to make up their own mind as to whether they are in or out. So far each pesron that has posted in favor of GZ here has mentioned how much money they stand to make. I haven't heard real dollars yet. Don't give me webcash. That's already in my account and to have it I have to spend more. GreenZap released a statement that they raised $2,000,000.00 in 9 days to meet OTCBB requirements so they can try to qualify for public trading. They raised this from all members of GZ. I see alot of money going in. Where's it going? "Then they offered their Gold members the ability to buy their stock at 50%. I sat up and took notice. And when there were many complaints from people who didn't have the $1,000 of cash up front to take advantage, they made a second offer, to accept payment over 10 months, allowing each participating gold member to add up to $1,000 in webcash as part of the purchase price ..." There is that webcash again ... digital discounting in my book. Not real cash. Gold members get a lesser or no processing fee. Well you fronted them the fee money already. I could go on and on. I will still watch but I do say "I hope I am wrong about this". Thanks for posting Leroy. The more that is posted the better it is for all. Newest Release: Podcasting For Fun & Profit! Podcasting Teleprompter - Make Yourself Sound Like A Pro! 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