Menu



error This forum is not active, and new posts may not be made in it.
PromoteFacebookTwitter!
RE: SOUND OFF ON ANY TOPIC YOU WANT TO.
10/30/2012 2:33:16 PM

Does this ever hit the nail on the head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

+0
Kathy Hamilton

4225
13886 Posts
13886
Invite Me as a Friend
Top 25 Poster
Person Of The Week
RE: SOUND OFF ON ANY TOPIC YOU WANT TO.
10/31/2012 12:17:01 AM
I was just wanting your first thought about the Statement without really thinking about it. I did my Thesis on the Topic and I did alot of research on the subject. Heres some of the research on the Topic

ON BEING CERTAIN: Believing You Are Right Even When You're Not


ON BEING CERTAIN is a revolutionary look at how we know what we know. At stake is the commonly held belief that we can logically and reasonably determine when our thoughts are correct.

If, after due rumination and deliberation, we decide that a thought must be correct, we presume that this conclusion is itself a conscious choice. ON BEING CERTAIN presents compelling evidence that this assumption is inconsistent with present-day understanding of basic brain function. Drawing from case studies and recent neuroscience advances, as well as such far-ranging subject material as the physics of baseball, high-stakes poker, and popular discussions of gut feelings and the nature of intuition, ON BEING CERTAIN systematically undermines certainty and conviction as products of reason.

The central premise:
Despite how certainty feels, it is neither a conscious choice nor even a thought process. Certainty and similar states of “knowing what we know” are sensations that feel like thoughts, but arise out of involuntary brain mechanisms that function independently of reason.


Reviews/​Comments


ForbesLife March 10, 2008


The day after the space shuttle Challenger disaster, a psychology professor named Ulric Neisser had his students write precisely where they'd been when they heard about the explosion. Two-and-a-half years later, he asked them for the same information. While fewer than one in ten got the details right, almost all were certain that their memories were accurate, and many couldn't be dissuaded even after seeing their original notes.

For neurologist Robert A. Burton, the Challenger study is emblematic of an essential quality of the human mind, and evocative of the psychology underlying everything from nationalism to fundamentalism. In his brilliant new book, Burton systematically and convincingly shows that certainty is a mental state, a feeling like anger or pride that can help guide us, but that doesn't dependably reflect objective truth. Evidence for Burton's fascinating insight is everywhere around us, and "On Being Certain" expertly weaves together studies from Science and The New England Journal of Medicine, as well as the front page of the New York Times, to consider the myriad ways in which the brain constructs a useful worldview -- often by manipulating details for the sake of consistency -- and sometimes, as in the case of schizophrenia, takes untenable liberties.

Faced with the inherent unreliability of the human mind, a lesser author might become cynical. Burton, however, is able to appreciate the cultural worth of unjustified certainty, which fuels the impulsive creativity of scientists and artists alike. Equally important, he argues that, "if science can shame us into questioning the nature of conviction, we might develop some degree of tolerance and an increased willingness to consider alternative ideas." In the polarizing atmosphere of the 2008 election, "On Being Certain" ought to be required reading for every candidate -- and for every citizen.

--Jonathon Keats


Scientific American Mind April 2008


The day after the 1986 Challenger shuttle accident, psychologist Ulric Neisser asked 106 students to write down exactly where they were and what they were doing when they first heard about the explosion. When he interviewed the students two and a half years later, 25 percent of them gave strikingly different accounts. But when confronted with their original journal entries, many students defended their beliefs. One of them answered, “That’s my handwriting, but that’s not what happened.”

In On Being Certain, neuroscientist and novelist Robert A. Burton tries to get to the bottom of the curious sensation he calls the “feeling of knowing”—being certain of a fact despite having no (or even contrary) evidence. Throughout his book, Burton makes the compelling argument that certainty “is neither a conscious choice nor even a thought process.” Instead, he says, that unmistakable sense of certainty “arises out of involuntary brain mechanisms that, like love or anger, function independently
of reason.”

Burton thinks that just as we perceive our external world through our physical senses, our internal world presents itself in the form of feelings, such as familiar or strange and correct or incorrect. And he shows that these inner perceptions are necessary for us to function properly in everyday life, because our thoughts are subject to constant self-questioning. For example, even though reason may tell us that running up a tree to escape a lion is an excellent strategy, experience shows that great strategies can fail and that there may be better options. Because alternative choices are present in any situation, logical thought alone would be doomed to a perpetual “yes, but” questioning routine. Burton reasons that it is the feeling of knowing that solves this dilemma of how to reach a conclusion. Without this “circuit breaker,” indecision and inaction would rule the day.

One of the startling implications of Burton’s thesis is that we ultimately cannot trust ourselves when we believe we know something to be true. “We can’t afford to continue with the outdated claims of a perfectly rational unconscious or knowing when we can trust gut feelings,” he writes. On Being Certain challenges our understanding of the very nature of thought and provokes readers to ask what Burton calls “the most basic of questions”: How do we know what we know?


Seed Magazine January-February 2008


Doubt Thyself

If biology underpins human thought, can we still think for ourselves?
By David Pizarro

(excerpts)

...Burton investigates the sources of the feeling of certainty. Why are people so sure of themselves despite overwhelming evidence that they are often wrong?

A neurologist by training, Burton mounts a scientific argument for skepticism of a very deep sort. By presenting a broad set of findings, ranging from the disciplines of neurobiology to social psychology, Burton argues that the feeling that we know something is most likely a biologically-based, involuntary, and unconscious process that cannot be trusted as a reliable marker that we are right. For Burton, the feeling of certainty is simply “…not a biologically justifiable state of mind....

Cognitive science has raised the possibility that “…the very building blocks of thought might be subject to involuntary, even genetic influences that make each of us ‘private islands’ of perception and thinking....

Burton provides a compelling and thought-provoking case that we should be a bit more skeptical about our beliefs. He guides the reader toward a healthy suspicion about any claim that is framed in absolute terms. Indeed, this seems to be one of his primary objectives, viewing an attitude of absolute certainty as the root of many societal ills. Along the way, he also provides a novel perspective on many lines of research that should be of interest to readers who are looking for a broad introduction to the cognitive sciences.


-- David Pizarro is professor of psychology at Cornell University.

Kirkus Review November 15, 2007


A wide-ranging exploration of cognition, certainty and what we mean when we say we “know” something is true.

Certainty, argues neurologist and novelist Burton (Cellmates, 1999, etc.), is not a conscious choice, nor a thought process, but a sensation that can best be described as a “feeling of knowing.” As a feeling, like anger or fear, certainty does not rely on any underlying state of knowledge. What this means, Burton argues, is that we can be wrong even when we’re convinced we’re right. As an example, Burton describes the “Challenger study,” in which students expressed high levels of confidence, three years after the Space Shuttle Challenger exploded, that their false memories of the explosion were more accurate than descriptions they had written down one day after the event. Examples of feelings that seem like knowledge, says Burton, include so-called mystical experiences, the feeling that one has actually seen a fast-moving baseball prior to striking it with a bat and the conviction that taking a risk in poker will pay off. The tendency of an individual to have any one of these feelings—to be, for example, an inveterate gambler—is partly determined by genetic predisposition (in this case, the so-called “risk-taking gene”) and partly by prior experience. How, then, can we tell the difference between feeling right and being right? The answer, Burton argues, lies in accepting the limits of our ability to know and in “playing by the rules of scientific method”—believing we are right if empiric evidence and testing give us reason to do so, but accepting that subsequent evidence may one day prove us wrong.

A new way of looking at knowledge that merits close reading by scientists and general readers alike.


Discover Magazine March 2008


Just like love or anger, certainty is an emotion. So says neuroscientist Robert Burton, whose engaging new work exposes the involuntary, physiological roots of conviction. Whether you're sure about political affiliations or alien abduction, that feeling of knowing derives not from rational thought, he argues, but from the brain's primitive limbic system; the gut feeling is more likely to emerge from careful electric stimulation than from careful consideration. Burton is convinced that being certain is not the same as being right. I'm not so sure.


Science-Based Medicine May 6, 2008


A gem of a book.

There are implications for politics, religion, and every sphere of human activity. The insights from this book can be applied to every human interaction from marital squabbles to terrorism. It may be frightening to recognize the limits of our knowledge. It will be hard for some to give up their cherished certainties, but Burton says he has gained an extraordinary sense of an inner quiet born of acknowledging his limitations.

This well-written book is the result of many years of cogitation by a wise clinician. He supports his arguments with tales of neurology patients, recent research into brain function, and examples of how our senses constantly fool us.

--Harriet Hall, MD

Tricycle: The Buddhist Review March 3, 2008


--The possibility that knowledge for the feeling of knowing is biologically based rather than the result of thinking... will get the epistemologists and everyone else up in arms.

Best Books I Read in 2007-- David Dobbs
(Editor of Scientific American's Mind Matters)


On Being Certain: Believing You Are Right Even When You're Not A favorite subject of mine -- how we know what we know. Burton, a neurologist and novelist, looks at how and why certainty feels utterly the same whether we're right or woefully wrong about the thing we're so certain about. I got a pre-release copy of this (and many other books), and this one stood out. There are many books lately about fascinating neuroscience these days, but few are as fascinating as this one, which eloquently marshals a strong argument about something important on both personal and societal levels.


Skeptical Inquirer September-October 2008


If there’s anything you think you’re certain of, read this book and you may change your mind.


Madeleine L. Van Hecke Author of Blind Spots: Why Smart People Do Dumb Things pic-


I walk by faith not by sight Profit Clicking http://www.profitclicking.com/?r=simikathy
+0
RE: SOUND OFF ON ANY TOPIC YOU WANT TO.
10/31/2012 4:04:27 AM
Again Kathy you're talking in riddles, my first thought about what????? You did a thesis on what? Believing you're right when you're not??? What college did you attend when you wrote this thesis???
One thing I can tell you is that most of the time I am right, even my family will tell you that and a big part of that is I've learned to go with my gut feeling because it's been my experience that my gut feeling or maybe it can be called woman's intuition, is almost always right. I've found too there's nothing like life experience to guide you to a correct analysis of most things.
One thing I've always said and that is I am very opinionated and make no excuses about it. That is just part of who I am and if you had been more active in the community the last few years you would have seen me say that several times in different posts. My true friends know that and respect me for it and I also respect their right to their opinions. It's not a case of who's right or who's wrong. Like all things in life we tend to gravitate to those who hold similar views and the same character traits we have. The reason certain people are in my circle of friends is because as far as I can tell none of them are liars or thieves and they never betray a confidence.
+0
RE: SOUND OFF ON ANY TOPIC YOU WANT TO.
11/2/2012 2:31:51 PM

It simply amazes me that there is not more outrage over Benghazi. Have we really become a nation that is willing to let this go without demanding accountability from our president who sat in the WH and watch this tragedy unfold and did not order help for these men? Sadly it appears that way. I guess there are too many who are more interested in their own selfish desires instead of the welfare of our fighting men and women and our representatives abroad. How sad that we as a nation has come to this. :(

Abandoning America’s honor

- Doug Hagmann Friday, November 2, 2012
There is much focus on the events following the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, as there should be. Four Americans, including a U.S. Ambassador are dead. Real Americans, real men do not leave other Americans to die mercilessly in the throes of battle, at their time of greatest need. That’s not who we are, individually as people or collectively as a nation. Yet the inquiries of late boil down to one simple but very revealing question that no one in a position of authority has answered: Is this what we’ve become?

This is a question that transcends politics, political parties and agendas. It is much bigger than all of that and all of us, and speaks to the very heart of who we are as a people, a nation, and a brotherhood and sisterhood of soldiers who have entrusted their lives to the men and women leading the greatest nation on earth. It is the very essence of who we are and everything for which we stand. It is about honor, and a man or a nation who has lost honor can lose nothing more.*

At the heart of the issue are four Americans whose names and faces we must never forget: Sean Smith, Glen Doherty, Tyrone Woods and U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens. They were sons and fathers, friends and family, and fellow soldiers doing what other Americans were not, could not or would not. At present, they are the face of America’s integrity and honor, exhibits of courage, and members of a special group who have died in the name of our nation.

Have we abandoned not only our dead, but our nation’s honor? With regard to the events in Benghazi, there is one very simple and expeditious way to put inquiring minds to rest, and to assure every American serving their country that they will not be left behind in their time of greatest need. Through a simple stroke of a pen, one man has the ability to put an end to the growing undercurrent of speculation and fear of abandonment: Barack Hussein Obama.

The accounts of the September 11, 2012 meeting in the Oval Office are well documented and undisputed in open source reports. Barack Hussein Obama, Joe Biden and Leon Panetta were meeting in the Oval Office at the very moment in time when the frantic pleas for help were made by our men who were engaged in a battle for their lives. In Benghazi, it was their final battle, but I beseech every American that it must not be ours.

Barack Obama has publicly assured every American that he ordered assistance to be dispatched to save our people. Let there be no equivocation, no word play, and no doubt, as the stakes are too high, the grief too real, and the consequences too dire to our country for anything but full and honest disclosure. We have told by Barack Obama that he issued an order, in real time, to save the lives of our men as the doors of hell opened before them.

That is his statement recorded in history. Three men know the truth. Four men are dead. A nation’s honor hangs in the balance.

Accordingly, it is a very simple matter to produce the “execute order,” or the written documentation of that one very narrow but very specific verbal command. Lest one opines that such disclosure would compromise our national security, I remind everyone of the massive disclosures that were so freely and willingly offered in the wake of the bin Laden operation.

Just as the bin Laden operation is over, so too is the Benghazi attack. A nation given the inside view of a celebrated successful operation now demands accountability in another. It must be done not only for the honor of the dead, but for the sake of our nation.

As an American, I say this to Barack Hussein Obama: Show us that you have the honor and integrity that you claim. “Own” this situation as you did the bin Laden operation. Put America first. Produce the order. Today.

*A Paraphrase of the first century Syrian writer Publilius Syrus.

+0
Helen Elias

801
1370 Posts
1370
Invite Me as a Friend
RE: SOUND OFF ON ANY TOPIC YOU WANT TO.
11/3/2012 3:26:40 PM

Hi Evelyn

I was just joking. I haven't heard too much of the election stuff because I rarely put my TV on. Then on top of that, I was without a computer for 3 or 4 weeks.

This little girl is not joking ...so sadly cute.

Helen

Spend $4 and get back $10 every time you spend. Contact me (Helen) at this email »»» zhebee@yahoo.com
+0


facebook
Like us on Facebook!