Luis,

I live so near to London yet get few opportunities to visit the galleries.

I think that I might have to make the effort.

Thanks for this.

Roger

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Hello Luis Miguel,

I read a few articles and also saw TV programs on this issue in the recent past. One question came to mind and it's still stuck there with no obvious answer.

Most people like myself love art for arts sake, in other words the beauty of the art itself and great appreciation for the artist that shared his feelings with us. I'm not what you can call "educated" in art but as I said love and appreciate most art forms.

So here's the question from an uneducated art lover. What difference does it make whether students finished or even initiated some of the masterpieces attributed to Da Vinci? Will we love and appreciate them less? Will the museums take the pictures down and no longer "treasure" these magnificent works of art? Will their value be lowered or raised according to the latest findings? ETC..........

It appears to me as if this is an obsession that really has no meaning and will not in any way lessen the impact of these masterpieces.

Shalom,

Peter

No apology.

But everyone please read this.

(Forum owner, please delete this if it spoils your forum).

I am the first person to point out to new members that we, as a community, share a special respect for forum owners and uphold their right to decide who and how members post on their forum. But for once NO APOLOGY from me for breaking rules. I have no desire to offend but merely to make the lives of forum owners worthwhile.

If you search the forums you will see that those who post inappropriate advertising will be reminded that this isn’t the way that we behave at Adland. Rightly so.

We have a lot of forums here that are designed for business. Some promote and some invite others to post their business opportunities. These forums represent a part of Adland which is important. Many people arrive here looking for people to advertise to and others seeking opportunities or leads... That’s fine and it’s business that funds this wonderful Social and Business Network. We just need to remember that there is a social and personal side to all business transactions that prosper by repeat business. Do you deal again with people that give you poor service?

Ok, so you don’t share a desire to chat. Ok, so you don’t share a desire to bare your soul or to talk about serious or frivolous things. We are all, thankfully, different.

What saddens me is that so many devoted Adlanders spend time writing and compiling forums only to find that nobody visits. Why?

Time is important and for some, in short supply. Many new folk don’t know how. (Believe it or not, if you search the forums there are forums that are dedicated to new members and how to navigate this site). No excuses.

I’ve been around the Network block a few times and there are very few places on the web where business, lovely people and love ooze from all corners like here at Adland.

So, why are forums so badly supported?

Firstly, do people know your forum is even there?

Do people know how to navigate a forum?

Do people get so tired of notifications that they block them and then never know again?

Who knows?

DID YOU KNOW?

If you go the top of YOUR HOME PAGE HERE and click on forums that you will get a list of active forums and a list of the visits and when they happened.

WHEN DID YOU LAST CHECK to see what you are missing?

MAKE THIS VISIT TO THE FORUM LIST A ONCE A WEEK VISIT. Not much to ask is it?

Check out the forums of friends, subjects that interested you, whatever, BUT DO SOMETHING otherwise YOU ARE THE LOOSER.

There are those here who arrive at a forum and say “Sorry, I didn’t know this was still active”, how will they know if they never check?

I make no apology for posting this in a whole load of forums here. If I’m labelled a spammer it will be for the first time. You see, when I checked I found a lot of forums that I’d forgotten, neglected of missed. I DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Let’s get Adland back to the days when forums where full of visitors yet retain the big surge in new business visitors that we have experienced. This is THE BEST but it can be better.

Roger Macdivitt (just a member that cares)

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Miguel, this is very interesting and I am happy you found it and brought it to us. To think that he might have painted by himself is profound when it was thought that his students usually helped. In the first one that was restored, it is evident there was no hand on the angel and it must have been the way he wanted it. By comparison, the one with the hand does not seem to fit.

Maybe by research they will be able to determine for sure if it was all done by the same artist. No matter what, it is a divine picture, as all of Da Vinci's work remains.

Thank you friend for this wonderful forum for the Arts.

Love and blessings,

Sara

Louvre version Artist Leonardo da Vinci Year 1483-1486 Type Oil on panel (transferred to canvas) Dimensions 199 cm × 122 cm (78.3 in × 48.0 in) Location Louvre, Paris London version Artist Leonardo da Vinci Year 1495-1508 Type Oil on panel Dimensions 189.5 cm × 120 cm (74.6 in × 47.25 in) Location National Gallery, London

Thus the real explanation might run like this: Unsure that the hand was okay, Da Vinci never really finished it, or perhaps he just wanted to soften the effect I have hinted at above. And years later, when the occasion arrived, he made a second, better version, this one treasured now in the London Gallery, with which he felt more satisfied - or at least more comfortable, since he was such a fastidious perfectionist that would have never been really satisfied.

So let me thank you again for your great contribution. It is intelligent feedback like the one previously posted by Peter, or this of yours, that makes it a pleasure to keep a forum like this.

Sincerely,

Luis Miguel Goitizolo