Hi Joy! I'm glad you came back.... welcome! I'm really glad you're not a "drive by" poster. ======================================== Everytime I go to someones website " SALES PAGE" they ask me for my contact information. WITHOUT PROVIDING ME THEIRS! So I decided I am the client why shouldn't I also get their info. If they are a illegitamite business why is their contact info not included on their website. Is it a big secret... For example I went to your website and I went to your contact page and it has a form that people have to fill out and you will contact them. You do not provide the client with your info so they can call you directly. ======================================== You are quite right. I don't have contact info. But, you see, there's a good reason for that. I would never recommend putting an email address on a website because spam harvesting software would scoop it up and within a short time, you'd be getting hundreds or thousands of pieces of spam daily. That's why I don't have an email address posted. Been there, done that - learned the hard way in the early days. I used to have my phone number posted. But, I ran into two scenarios. First, every newbie marketer under the sun would call me asking me to endorse their products. And secondly, weird guys called to hit on me. Neither were very enjoyable. So, no phone number. My clients all have my number, though. Once someone contacts me about design, and I know they're for real, and not some weird person looking for an Internet girlfriend, and not someone looking for endorsement for a get rich quick scheme - then I email them my phone number. LOL. The difference is that people know what I do at a glance. It's obvious that I offer website design and web based marketing. Since your site isn't done, I couldn't tell what you do. That's why I asked. : ) Linda

Hi Joy, At the end of your post you said: "So if someone chooses not to complete the form, great I probably did not want to hear from them anyways..." I have a question! Just what kind of people did you expect to hear from? I get the impression that you are trying to make a statement to the world here, but for the life of me I can't figure it out. It's like reading a book and having to skip over every other paragraph, it just doesn't make sense.

I have gone to dozens of site to check out business opportunities and many of those site do not have any contact info. I do direct sales and am looking at what other people are doing and if they are having success, just opening the doors to other possibilities (diverisifing). I do not do MLM, I know their are people out there that do and I am sure there are people having success with MLM, I just have not met any yet. I have done my research and most of the governing agencies recommend not working with a company who does not have their company info, (phone, email, address) on their webiste. I signed up for a Website Search Ranking company (http://www.1stsearchranking.com/) last year, they guaranteed that my website for my direct sales product would be in the top 10 placements and I would have 10,000 visitors, after 90 days of very little hits I requested my money back. Did not happened, they actually recommended that I purchased the next package up (originally I paid $700) to-date I have had 250 hits. (At this rate it will take me 40 years to get 10,000 hits). They have a address (PO of course), Phone number is a fax machine and I have filed a complaint with the Attorney Generals Office. So what is the point, well I guess I am just a little careful about working with people who do not want to supply me with their info. I am not selling the names and emails. I am just lookig to find out more about what people are doing and if they are REALLY having the success they say they are. I prefer to talk with these people directly. If they have a illegitamite business and are looking to have me buy from them or join their organization, they will not have any problem giving me their info in EXCHANGE for mine. Fairs Fair.

Hi Joy, I think there is a very impoortant factor missing in all of this. Of the other sites that you visit while they may not list what you are looking for in regards to contact information they might be giving pages of information that allow you base the decision to contact them or not on. When people go the link you have supplied there is no information that allow people to learn more. Just like you are skeptical about not working with companies based upon the reasons you give, people are reluctant to just give over their contact information when they arrive at a site that has no content. There is the fear that they will then start to recieve information in their in box that they were not asking to receive, or that they could be added to a potential e-mail list. I know that here in the forum you state that is not the purpose of your web page but to a visitor that arrives at the page they are more conditioned to being given information by a complete website being there. It is the lack of a complete website that will drive people away. As Linda said previously there are good reasons to not put your contact information up front for people to see. In this day and age of identity theft there are many very good reasons not to do that. I have built hundreds of websites and I would never advise any client to put all their contact information on the website unless they work out of a corporate office, but most people work out of their own homes. It doesn't take much to reverse engineer phone numbers to get an address. It is sad that you feel into the trap of a search engine optimization firm that made promnises that they could not deliver on but the fact is no one can give a promise of a page one listing. I am also pretty sure that the traffic they promised would have come from mainly autosurfing and the time they would spend at the site in average would be 15 to 30 seconds. You may haver to just chalk that up to getting an education and move on. I would say that there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing your due diligence before working with any one or any company, but a lot of that is done by reading the website content that people supply. If you like the content and it seems like you might to learn more, you contact the company or website owner and open the lines of communication, then after you exchange e-mails you get a better feel for the individual you are communicating with. Then you are able to make a more informed decison. I really do think that in this case you are looking for people to do what you do not want to do yourself. Give contact information, I would think that if you were to create a more complete websote that allowed people to read more about you and what you have to offer you might find more people would send in a contact form and open the channels of communication. That's just my take on it, but it might be something that every else agrees with as well.

Joy, Thanks for the update. But setting aside all that. The way you request for information is a little different. If I may use an analogy. It's kind of like being invited to dinner only to find out there's no dinner once you get there. You invite people to your website to tell you about their business, yet, you have no place for them to do so once they've arrived.