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Thank you, Thomass. Yes, my trip was wonderful.
OK, I think I'm ready to play here, now. I've read everything again, and let's see if I have your viewpoints correct:
Thomass, your article referred to the immutable laws of quantum physics, and to the surprising results that occur when one shapes one's intentions with full awareness of the power of the resulting energy. That energy effects real outcomes in the physical world.
This is scientific fact, measurable on the subatomic level. You go on to expound upon one's power to simply choose or create one's own desired outcome. From this viewpoint, success either is or isn't...there is no becoming successful, only being so.
Kris, you seem to have attained a state of being in the flow such that you no longer require labels for many of the concerns that the rest of us spend our time in (success, work, etc.). Your contentment is to be envied, although I am sure you will reject that concept as well.
This is the difficulty I find in the evolution of my understanding...changing my language impairs my ability to convey my meaning to those who still require labels, not changing it impairs my ability to communicate with people who have changed theirs. Yet, I have some understanding that the language itself affects the flow of energy and use of those labels may disrupt it. Such a quandary!
Jack, you bring up the word metaphysical. To be certain I understood its meaning, I looked it up:
"Derived from the Greek meta ta physika ("after the things of nature"); referring to an idea, doctrine, or posited reality outside of human sense perception. In modern philosophical terminology, metaphysics refers to the studies of what cannot be reached through objective studies of material reality. Areas of metaphysical studies include ontology [A branch of study concerned with the nature and relations of being, or things which exist.], cosmology [A branch of study concerned with the origins and nature of the universe.], and often, epistemology [The study of theories of knowledge or ways of knowing, particularly in the context of the limits or validity of the various ways of knowing.]."
It is in this word that I see the crux of our semantical difficulties. I say we are all essentially in agreement, although perhaps on a continuum rather than in perfect step.
Here's the thing, though. The definition of metaphysical is obsolete. Science has now observed the connection between what we thought was metaphysical and what we know is physical. There is no difference...it's just too tiny to see with the unaided human eye where the physical that we observe everyday is in juxtaposition with what used to be the realm of philosophy.
In the macro sense, it is observable but not necessarily measurable with our current technology, and one can't therefore easily apply the law of cause and effect.
Jack, I'll quote you here, because you describe the result very well:
"The power or energy (friendlier word) that one has within is also expelled and it's this outgoing energy that grows from one to many. I call it charisma you say laws of attraction. There has been many influential leaders in the pass (good and bad) and there will be many more. All great leaders possess a level of energy that is ultimately used to influence an outcome and achieve success. I guess in my view I was not placing a close connection of faith or some spiritual energy to a calculable achievement."
At the moment physicists observed that the act of observation changed the expected outcome of an experiment on subatomic particles, the connection between faith (or expectation) became calculable.
Thomass, do I have this right? I'm such a neophyte, I sometimes think myself into the middle of a Gordian knot and don't know where to go from there. How am I doing so far?
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I'd like to address success vs abundance. To me they are not equivalent. A sense of abundance is the evidence of success.
However, I think I understand Kris' reluctance to use the word success, because it has come to imply only the material aspect...and that's not necessarily what we're discussing here, or not all of it. I'd like to offer this as an alternative: For me, now, success is the state of being fully satisfied with one's condition.
There are at least two ways of achieving it. One way is to choose to be satisfied, no matter what that condition is. Kris appears to be there. I think Thomass advocates this method, am I correct?
I think you are saying that the act of choosing satisfaction creates the condition that you would have wanted in the first place if you were striving instead of just being. It's a feedback loop with a positive outcome.
The other method is to form a picture of the ideal condition and use one's powers to achieve that condition. By powers I'm referring of course to work, education, and even energy in the sense of intent. I think Jack would recognize that as a legitimate way of achieving it. "[Jack says], focus on a vision, define your purpose, set some objectives, execute a plan, measure your results and see if you succeeded." Works for me. I'm a workaholic anyway. I enjoy work. Does that mean it isn't work? Then that's a feedback loop with a positive outcome, too. The more I get to do the things I enjoy, the more satisfied with my condition I am.
I'm pursuing both methods. I will admit to not yet being completely satisfied with my condition, at least with many if not most aspects of it. In particular, I'm not satisfied with the material aspect of it.
However, I'm working on understanding why that's so, even though I am able to pay my bills, shelter my family, eat more than I need to survive and in fact have incredible material abundance compared to, say, most of the citizens of a third world country.
I suspect that I won't be satisfied with my condition until it includes the material ability to alleviate some of the discomfort or even suffering that goes with material, educational or spiritual lack, either my own or that of others. I remember being certain in my early 20s that I could fix all the problems I could see in the world. Someone convinced me that I couldn't.
Now, my understanding of the concepts that Thomass and Kris allude to has given me back the certainty that I can choose to have a positive effect and it will in fact come about, i.e., I can choose and therefore create my outcome. Thomass, is that not also what you are accomplishing with your Pathway to Peace project?
If you take Kris' thoughts to their logical conclusion, you will stop promoting it and it will just happen. Kris, am I understanding you correctly? Why, then are we taking action for our projects' completion? This is not meant to be argumentative...I really want to know!
What the means will be for my vision, I don't know. Call it faith or call it intent. In either case, the energy of the belief is what to me is spiritual, Jack, and the connection is that the outcome depends upon it. Try to accomplish something without the belief that you can, and you certainly will not. I've spent almost 57 years proving that.
I don't yet have the language to adequately convey these concepts, which is why I asked Thomass to do so. I agree with Jack that it's a fine intellectual exercise. It's also helping me to grow and clarify for myself where all this is taking me, which in turn is deeply satisfying to me. I thank all of you for your continuing participation!
Cheri
PS. Wow, this was a long post! Should I have broken it into two? I was accused in another forum of being long-winded (not in so many words, but I understood). Could I get some feedback, please?
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