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RE: HSIG- ‘Washington leaked information to prevent Israeli attack on Iran’
4/1/2012 12:13:48 PM
Hi All,

I mistakenly posted the below in my President's thread (
in a way it does fit there too) but the rightful place for this post is here.

Shalom,

Peter


Hello Friends.

B Hussein and his regime is sabotaging Israel's options to attack the lunatic Iranian regime. It's up to Israel to decide if a preemptive strike is necessary if the sanctions don't have the positive effect we all would like them to have.

So far they might have tickled the Iranians a bit but overall their policies and threats haven't decreased but quite the opposite. Israel has agreed in the past to give diplomacy a chance and time is running out.

Over the past few months B Hussein and his goon squad have been leaking statements about Israel's plans for a preemptive attack culminating this past week with the leak about using Azerbaijani air force bases as an attack base. Whether this is true or not is irrelevant but by leaking what might be secret information they are directly sabotaging Israel's chances for a successful strike if all else fails and the attack found to be the last option. All for the sake of his reelection and backstabbing Israel yet again. Another direct result of these leaks is strengthening the hand of the Iranis and this in my opinion is also part of B Hussein's plan and agenda.

The below article gives us Ambassador John Bolton's take on this situation.

Shalom,

Peter

‘Washington leaked information to prevent Israeli attack on Iran’

Former U.S. Ambassador to U.N. John Bolton says the leak about Israeli activities in Azerbaijan was orchestrated by the administration, not a rogue source • Israeli sources tell Time magazine that the Mossad has been curtailing its covert operations in Iran by “dozens of percent.”

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Former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton says the U.S. is actively trying to stymie a possible Israeli strike on Iran.
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Former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton said Thursday that the Obama administration leaked a story about covert Israeli activity in Azerbaijan to thwart plans for potential military action against Iran’s nuclear program.

Speaking to Fox News, Bolton said he believes the U.S. government is actively working to prevent Israel from launching an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities. The former ambassador was responding to an article published last week in Foreign Policy magazine that quoted senior U.S. officials claiming Israel had been granted access to airfields in Azerbaijan along Iran’s northern border.

“I think this leak is part of the administration’s campaign against an Israeli attack,” Bolton told Fox News.

According to the Foreign Policy report, in 2009 a U.S. Embassy official in Azerbaijan sent a memo to the State Department that quoted Azerbaijan President Ilham Aliyev, who reportedly said that nine-tenths of his country’s ties with Israel are “below the surface.” The memo was later made public by WikiLeaks.

An intelligence official quoted in the Foreign Policy article said the U.S. is monitoring events in Azerbaijan and is “not happy” with the developments.

While the officials quoted in the article were not explicitly said to be White House officials, Bolton said he has no doubt they were. Bolton noted that the source of the leak was not likely to have been a single individual with his own agenda. “Clearly, this is an administration-orchestrated leak. This is not a rogue CIA guy saying I think I’ll leak this out.”

Bolton accused the U.S. administration of orchestrating a campaign to prevent Israeli military action against Iran, while admitting that he has no concrete evidence to support his claim. However, he cited a February statement by U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta who said he believed an Israeli strike on Iran could take place in April. “If that’s the case, then it would be entirely consistent for the administration to try to avoid that impending outcome,” Bolton said.

Meanwhile, according to another report published Saturday, the Mossad has scaled back its covert activities in Iran in recent months by “dozens of percent.”

Senior Israeli officials reportedly told Time magazine that the reduction covers a wide spectrum of operations, including assassinations and detonations at Iranian missile bases, but also efforts to gather firsthand intelligence on the ground and recruit spies.

One senior Israeli source said Mossad officials are “not satisfied” with the new policy. Another official attributed the curtailment to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu whom the article says was “worried about the consequences of a covert operation being discovered or going awry.”

“Netanyahu was traumatized by Israel’s failed attempt to assassinate [Hamas political bureau chief Khaled] Mashaal and does not want another failure on his hands,” the official said. Netanyahu was prime minister when the Mossad botched an attempt to assassinate Mashaal in Jordan in 1997.

Meanwhile U.S. government officials continue to emphasize that Iran still constitutes a potential threat to U.S. interests. In an interview with a U.S. Marine Corps reporter on Friday, Panetta said. “If Israel decides to act, we will have to defend ourselves. We may be involved earlier than we would want to be.”

After Panetta’s remarks, a spokesman for the U.S. Department of Defense said however that the U.S. still views diplomacy as its first option.


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RE: HSIG- We're on our own, and that's okay
4/1/2012 12:19:32 PM
Hello Friends,

Here's an interesting op-ed on the Iranian Issue by Dr. Gabi Avital. What's interesting is the combination of historical facts with the present. The similarities are quite interesting.

Shalom,

Peter



We're on our own, and that's okay
By Dr. Gabi Avital

On Sept. 30, 1980 Iranian Phantom fighter jets bombed the nuclear reactor in Iraq. The damage was minor. According to foreign reports, there was also an unsuccessful attempt by the Mossad to sabotage the reactor. Then, in accordance with intelligence assessments, Prime Minister Menachem Begin decided to bomb the Iraqi nuclear reactor.

The decision sounded easy and pleasant, but until the day the reactor was bombed, and even after, Begin faced countless detractors: Defense Minister Ezer Weizman, Deputy Prime Minister Yigael Yadin,the Mossad chief, the military intelligence chief, the head of the atomic energy committee and Shimon Peres, to name a few. These officials’ objections were preceded by years of American diplomatic efforts, which also failed.

The parallels to today’s situation are many. Today, like then, Iran is on the threshold of acquiring nuclear weapons. Like then, the express goal is to destroy Israel. Like then, opposition to an attack is coming from left-wing civilians as well as security personnel.

But despite all this, back in 1981 it was the prime minister who made the final decision, as is customary in a democratic country. After one delay the date for the bombing was set for just hours before the Shavuot holiday began. The operation was renamed “Operation Opera” (from the original “Operation Ammunition Hill”). And indeed, it was an entirely different opera: the fighter jets evaded radars, overcame fuel limitations, arrived at the target and destroyed it.

Back to present day. Israel is again facing mounting pressure not to attack. “Suddenly” a congressional research facility serving the U.S. Department of Defense “reveals” that an Israeli attack would delay Iran’s nuclear program by only six months, and that the location of the various nuclear facilities is difficult to determine. This report is leaked to the media. An unrelated expert commissions a poll to see how worried Israelis are about a possible attack in Iran.

Then, the masks come off. The magazine “Foreign Policy” asserts that there is growing concern in the U.S. over an Israeli attack. Diplomats and intelligence agents maintain that Israel has struck close relations with Iran’s northern neighbor – Azerbaijan – so that it can use its airfields to launch an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. According to the magazine, Israel has gained access to abandoned Azeri airfields from which fighter jets could take off.

It appears that our closest ally is “worried” and doesn’t think Israel should attack Iran. In other words, when a possible Iranian response that could claim dozens or possibly hundreds of lives is weighed against tens of thousands of deaths in an Iranian nuclear attack, America and Europe are telling the Jews to sit tight.

During the First Gulf War, Israel was prohibited from attacking, and we still got bombed by Iraq. Now, too, it looks like no one is going to help us. If we go the military route, it is imperative that we do it with a loaded gun. The government must choose the optimal course of action, even if the so-called “enlightened” don’t like it. History proves that when Israel defends itself, the outcome is good for the Jews, especially in the long run.

The writer is a PhD. of Aeronautical and Space Engineering. 

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RE: HSIG- We're on our own, and that's okay
4/2/2012 7:06:20 AM
Hello Peter,

All of the players in the above scenario have a dog in the fight. That which would make BHO happy would not make all of the others in the fight happy. Especially Israel. I am mystified as to why Netanyahu would confide any secrets in BHO and to be sure given the chance it would probably be preferable for him to cut off the relationship. BHO has a long history of lies and poor decision making abilities. From what I know and have seen he wouldn't even be made aware of any plans your government has in regards to attacking. As I have stated before it would be far better to load your planes with the biggest nukes you can muster, strike without warning and get the upper hand. I seriously doubt that Putin or China would launch.

The idiots in charge in Iran will not respect nor change their ways for anything less. The beauty of this plan is the nuclear fallout will in effect seal off their facilities from the workers that are not destroyed when the bomb hits. Bomb them back into the stone age.
Any other course will only delay the inevitable as Christian and Muslim prophesy predict. My guess is that either route could result in the destruction of Israel. A sad situation to be sure.

One of the biggest problems that has repeated itself throughout history is that the failure to act can be more dangerous. Kind of the same as not voting for Romney because he is not Ron Paul or what ever BS candidate one prefers this re-electing BHO. The pro-life Christians here took this approach for the last 2 - 3 decades and lost gainful strides buy assuring a Democrat Abortionist as President repeatedly. What it comes down to is failing to do your duty of voting while others make all choices for you. They don't realize that to win a election all that is required is to fill your car when going to the poling place.

Sorry I got side tracked but I can tell you that many would volunteer to fly over to Iran for the air raids. Myself included. The question is when not if!

Rick
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RE: HSIG- We're on our own, and that's okay
4/2/2012 8:13:13 AM
Shalom Peter and All,
I have been watching the Usurper in chief paying out what I believe is exactly what Bebe wants him to do , Let me explain, he gave him sensitive knowing he would leak it . My thoughts are he gave him disinformation on purpose knowing he could not be trusted. Thus , he has something else planned that has not be told to anyone so, when the time comes only him and his immediate staff will know when and what will happen. So, when Iran thinks they are safe he will lower the boom or bomb in this case on their unsuspecting head. China is not complying with the sanctions and pretty much said to hell with the US ,we're going to do as we please . I have not heard of any repercussions on that yet. Iran I fear will not be alone if it comes to war and it is Israel that may have to stand alone. G-d help the US if we do not try to defend her . Hilary's lame statement about them proving they do not want nuclear proliferation for military use is absurd when we all know full well what they want it for .
Shalom and it's good to be back !
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RE: Human Shields In Gaza
4/2/2012 8:17:13 AM
Hi Rick,

Unfortunately I agree that the ultimate question is not if but when the preemptive strike will take place. The lunatic Iranian regime will try and buy more time with the upcoming talks in Turkey but this should be deja vu for all of us. How many times in the past were these tactics used by them to no avail?

Israel has a history of exchanging security information with the United States. Never to my recollection has an administration betrayed and released/leaked secret information like B Hussein's has. As I said in my previous post Israel will no longer trust his administration and do what has to be done if there is no other option with or without B Hussein's approval.

I, agree that Russia and China will not go to war if Israel preemptively strikes Iran. That's my opinion but it's a gut feeling. There might be war talk but no more then that.

That said Israel will not nuke Iran (again assuming Israel has nukes :) ) but use the non nuclear arsenal at its disposal. In the past Israel destroyed the Iraqi nuclear reactor and Syria's not long ago. Granted the Iranian situation is much more difficult and complicated but I'm confident our specialists will find the right plan if the preemptive strike becomes the last option to prevent them going nuclear.

Shalom,

Peter

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Hello Peter,

All of the players in the above scenario have a dog in the fight. That which would make BHO happy would not make all of the others in the fight happy. Especially Israel. I am mystified as to why Netanyahu would confide any secrets in BHO and to be sure given the chance it would probably be preferable for him to cut off the relationship. BHO has a long history of lies and poor decision making abilities. From what I know and have seen he wouldn't even be made aware of any plans your government has in regards to attacking. As I have stated before it would be far better to load your planes with the biggest nukes you can muster, strike without warning and get the upper hand. I seriously doubt that Putin or China would launch.

The idiots in charge in Iran will not respect nor change their ways for anything less. The beauty of this plan is the nuclear fallout will in effect seal off their facilities from the workers that are not destroyed when the bomb hits. Bomb them back into the stone age.
Any other course will only delay the inevitable as Christian and Muslim prophesy predict. My guess is that either route could result in the destruction of Israel. A sad situation to be sure.

One of the biggest problems that has repeated itself throughout history is that the failure to act can be more dangerous. Kind of the same as not voting for Romney because he is not Ron Paul or what ever BS candidate one prefers this re-electing BHO. The pro-life Christians here took this approach for the last 2 - 3 decades and lost gainful strides buy assuring a Democrat Abortionist as President repeatedly. What it comes down to is failing to do your duty of voting while others make all choices for you. They don't realize that to win a election all that is required is to fill your car when going to the poling place.

Sorry I got side tracked but I can tell you that many would volunteer to fly over to Iran for the air raids. Myself included. The question is when not if!

Rick
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