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Luis Miguel Goitizolo

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Re: Great announcement for Native Americans
5/31/2009 1:12:10 PM

OK, I will try again to see if the pictures show now. This time I have loaded them to my page first.
 

Dear Myrna,

Thanks for the feedback. I followed a couple of your links which took me to other links, which led me to some really curious and fascinating information about other sites and peoples including traditions about giants who might have been among the ancestors of the Native American peoples in the area.

One of the most interesting information I got was about the Great Serpent Mound, a huge ancient construction located in Ohio and the Eastern United States that maybe you know about. There is a lot of information at www.greatserpentmound.org with many articles by Ross Hamilton and Patricia Mason ("The Serpent Mound Mysteries"). 
 

Aerial view of the Serpent Mound showing its proximity to Brush Creek
© 2000 William F. Romain

According to a Reverend Landon West, the Serpent Mound in Ohio was built by God. That is a bit of an exaggeration of course, but it certainly is incredible how whoever it was the people that built it could be so advanced and inspired as to do it around the most sophisticated astronomical data. Also, the extent ot their knowledge and human resources must have been so huge that in spite of the magnitude of the construction, they incorporated such information as the lunar alignments and those of the solstices and equinoxes into the mound and the road to it - which by the way, together make a figure very much like the Constellation Draco.

 



Lunar Alignments at the Serpent Mound

 

 

Solar Alignments at the Serpent Mound


The pictures above are from the site I have just mentioned. The information that follows I have taken from the Free Dictionary.com, the site you suggested (http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Mound+builder+(people).

The star pattern of this asterism of Draconis fitting with remarkable precision to the Serpent Mound map is demonstrated in such a manner as to date the design of the serpent to a considerably earlier time, i.e. the highest position of the ancient north star, Draconis-alpha (Thuban). (Thuban). This chronology is formulated through observing the law of precession and the position of the pole star Thuban (which preceded the present pole star Polaris) placed at the geometrical center of the star layout underscoring the serpent form, viz. beneath the seventh coil from the spiral tailing. An image of this and other astronomical information regarding the Great Serpent Mound is available through this link: http://www.greatserpentmound.info/stonehenge.html


According to this information, the people who built it could date back to 3000 BC!

And I am just beginning to look for more data. I look forward to deepen a little bit more into it. There certainly is a lot of information - I only hope to have the time for it. I love ancient mysteries.

Thanks again,

Luis Miguel Goitizolo

 

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5/31/2009 7:07:01 PM

Hi Myrna,

Just me again...

I completely agree with you that we must all find the Love for one another and then must share it with one another.  But first...

Chief Yellow Lark, Lakota

Oh, Great Spirit, whose voice I hear in the winds.
And whose breath gives life to all the world.
Hear me! I am small and weak.
I need your strength and wisdom.
Let me walk in beauty, and make my eyes
Ever hold the red and purple sunset.
Make my hands respect the things you have made.
My ears sharp to hear your voice.
Make me wise so that I may understand
The things you might teach me.
Let me learn the lessons you have hidden
In every leaf and rock.
I seek strength, not to be greater than my brother.
But to fight my greatest enemy, myself.
Make me always ready to come to you
With clear hands and straight eyes.
So when life fades, as the fading sunset.
My spirit may come to you without shame.
 

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May You Walk In Peace & Beauty My Friend,

Phil

 

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Re: Great announcement for Native Americans
5/31/2009 10:45:57 PM
Hi Luis,

I saw a lot of information before, but it is almost endless.  I was thinking that maybe they are like the pyramids.  These mounds have a mystery behind them, they call them. Also known as the flat-topped pyramids.They are here for a reason,maybe we will learn soon.  We will just keep searching for the right answer.


Blessings,
Myrna

I copied this, there is just to much here to leave anything out

Mound Builder is a general term referring to the Native North American peoples who constructed various styles of earthen mounds for burial, residential, and ceremonial purposes. These included Archaic, and Woodland period, and Mississippian period Pre-Columbian cultures dating from roughly 3000 BC to the 1500s, and living in the Great Lakes region, the Ohio River region, and the Mississippi River region.

The term "Mound Builder" was also applied to an imaginary race believed to have constructed these earthworks, because Euroamericans from the 16th-19th centuries generally thought that Native Americans did not build the mounds.

The namesake cultural trait of the Mound Builders was the building of mounds and other earthworks. These burial and ceremonial structures were typically flat-topped pyramids or platform mounds, flat-topped or rounded cones, elongated ridges, and sometimes a variety of other forms. The best known flat-topped pyramidal structure, which is also the largest pre-Columbian earthwork north of Mexico at over 100 feet tall, is Monk's Mound at Cahokia. Some effigy mounds were made in unusual shapes, such as the outline of culturally significant animals. The most famous effigy mound, Serpent Mound in southern Ohio, is 5 feet tall, 20 wide, over 1330 feet long, and shaped as a serpent.

The Mound Builders included many different tribal groups and chiefdoms, probably involving a bewildering array of beliefs and unique cultures, united only by the shared architectural practice of mound construction. This practice, believed to be associated with a cosmology that had a cross-cultural appeal, may indicate common cultural antecedents. The first mound building is an early marker of incipient political and social complexity among the cultures in the Eastern United States.

The most complete reference for these earthworks is Ancient Monuments of the Mississippi Valley, written by Ephraim G. Squier, Edwin H. Davis and Samuel Morton. It was published by the Smithsonian Institution in 1848. Since many of the features they documented have since been destroyed or diminished by farming and development, their surveys, sketches and descriptions are still used by modern archaeologists. All of their sites located in Kentucky came from the manuscripts of the deceased C.S. Rafinesque. A smaller regional study in 1931 by author and archaeologist Fred Dustin charted and examined the mounds and Ogemaw Earthworks near Saginaw, Michigan. Archaeological survey and recording of mounds is an ongoing task.

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Many engraved conch shell artifacts, such as this one from a mound in Tennessee, have been found.

Eras

The Moundbuilding cultures can be divided into roughly three eras:

Archaic era

Poverty Point in what is now Louisiana is a prominent example of early archaic Mound Builder construction (c. 2500 BCE - 1000 BCE). While earlier Archaic mound centers existed (see Watson Brake), Poverty Point remains one of the best-known early examples.

Woodland period

Throughout the United States, the Archaic period was followed by the Woodland period (c. 1000 BCE - 1000). Some well-understood examples would be the Adena culture of Ohio and nearby states, and the subsequent Hopewell culture known from Illinois to Ohio and renowned for their geometric earthworks. The Adena and Hopewell were not, however, the only mound building peoples during this time period. There were contemporaneous mound building cultures throughout the Eastern United States.

Mississippian culture

Occupied between 1250 and 1600 C.E., Mississippi's Emerald Mound is the second-largest ceremonial earthwork in the United States.
Around 900-1000 CE the Mississippian culture developed and spread through the Eastern United States, primarily along the river valleys. The location where the Mississippian culture is first clearly developed is located in Illinois, and is referred to today as Cahokia.

The Moundbuilder Myth

Through the mid-1800s, Native Americans were generally not believed to have built the mounds of the eastern U.S.

A key work in the widespread recognition of the true origins of the mounds was the lengthy 1894 report of Cyrus Thomas of the Bureau of American Ethnology, which concluded that the prehistoric earthworks of the eastern United States were the work of Native Americans. A small number of people had earlier reached similar conclusions: Thomas Jefferson, for example, excavated a mound and noted similarities between mound builder funeral practices, and the funeral practices of Native Americans in his time.

Several alternate explanations were forwarded as to the origins of the mound builders:

Benjamin Smith Barton proposed the theory that the mound builders were Vikings who came to America and eventually disappeared. Other people believed that they were Greeks, Africans, Chinese or assorted Europeans. The Ten Lost Tribes of Israel were often given credit for the mounds by Euroamericans who embraced a Biblical worldview.

The Book of Mormon (first published in 1830) records that a Mesopotamian group possibly around 3100 and 2200 B.C. (called Jaredites), and Israelite groups in 590 B.C. (called Nephites, Lamanites and Mulekites) settled in the Americas. They built magnificent cities (including large burial mounds), only to be later decimated by warfare around A.D. 400. Mound builder areas may be one of the theoretical places in which Bountiful stood, a prominent city named in the Book of Mormon. The hill Cumorah (near present-day Manchester, New York) is said to be the place where the Book of Mormon record was buried.

Reverend Landon West claimed that Serpent Mound in Ohio was built by God. He believed that God built the mound himself and placed it in Eden, which apparently was in Ohio. Some people went as far as to attribute the mounds to mythical cultures: Lafcadio Hearn suggested that the mounds were built by people from the lost continent of Atlantis.

The removal of most Indians from the mound builder regions by the 1830s, by means of the Trail of Tears, was partly justified by the theory that the Indians destroyed the mound builders. Because people thought that the mound builders were sometimes believed to be ancient Europeans, the removal of the Indians was justified in order to reclaim their land.

The mound builder myth was not just a simple hoax, but a misinterpretation of real data from valid sources. The myth was widely accepted by scholars and laymen. Reference to this alleged race appears in the poem "The Prairies" (1832) by William Cullen Bryant [1] The widespread acceptance of the myth was based on a number of factors.

One was the belief the American Indians were simple beings that could not have constructed such magnificent earthworks and artifacts. The stone, metal, and clay artifacts were thought to be too complex for the primitive Indians to make. However, in the American Southeast, Northeast, and Midwest, there were numerous Indian cultures that were sedentary and participated in agriculture. Numerous Indian towns even had walls surrounding them for defense. If they were capable of this type of construction, building mounds should have been no more difficult. People who believed that the Indians were not responsible for the earthworks also used the argument that they could have not built them because they were nomadic peoples who followed their food. In this view, they could not have devoted the time and effort to construct mounds and other time-consuming projects.

When Europeans first arrived in America they never witnessed the American Indians building mounds; and when asked about the mounds, most of the Indians did not know anything about them. Yet there were numerous written accounts about the Indians' construction of the mounds by Europeans. One detailed account was by Garcilaso de la Vega, who wrote about how they built the mounds and the temples that were placed on top of the mounds. There were even French expeditions that stayed with Indian societies who built mounds.

People also claimed that the Indians were not the mound builders because the mounds and related artifacts were older than the Indian culture itself. Caleb Atwater's misunderstanding of stratigraphy led him to believe that the mound builders were a much older civilization than the Indians. In his book, Antiquities Discovered in the Western States (1820), Atwater claims that Indian remains are always found right beneath the surface of the earth. Since the artifacts associated with the mound builders are found fairly deep in the ground, Atwater argued that they must be from a different group of people. The discovery of metal artifacts further convinced people that the mound builders were not Native Americans because the Indians were not known to engage in metallurgy. This was another ignorant perception that was based on the assumption that all Indian cultures are similar. Some artifacts that were found in relation to the mounds were inscribed with symbols. The Europeans did not know of any Indian cultures that had a writing system, so they assumed it was another group who created them.

Hoaxes

Several hoaxes were designed to reenforce the Moundbuilder Myth.

In 1860, David Wyrick discovered the “Keystone tablet”, containing Hebrew language inscriptions written on it in Newark, Ohio. Soon after, he found the “Newark Decalogue Stone" nearby, also claimed to contain Hebrew. It was later discovered that a Reverend John W. McCarty created these "Newark Holy Stones" and put them in a place where Wyrick would find them.

Another hoax related to the mound builder myth was the discovery of the Davenport tablets by Reverend Jacob Gass. These also bore inscriptions on them that later were found to be fake.

The Walam Olum hoax had considerable influence in the mound builder myth. Constantine Samuel Rafinesque published in 1836 his translation of a text he claimed had been written in pictographs on wooden tablets. This text explained the origin of the Lenape Indians in Asia, told of their passage over the Bering Strait, and narrated their subsequent migration across the North American continent. This “Walam Olum” tells of battles with native peoples already in America before the Lenape arrived. It was assumed by others that these original people were the mound builders, and that the Lenape Indians overthrew them and destroyed their culture. David Oestreicher later branded Rafinesque's story a hoax, arguing that the Walam Olum glyphs derive from Chinese, Egyptian, and Mayan alphabets. Meanwhile, the belief that the Native Americans destroyed the mound builder culture had earned widespread acceptance.

The Kinderhook Plates ("discovered" in 1843) were another hoax planted in Native American mounds.

Other groups that have developed myths about the moundbuilders are certain sects affiliated with the Black nationalist Moorish Science philosophy. They argue that the moundbuilders were an ancient advanced Black civilization that developed the legendary continents of Atlantis and Mu as well as ancient Egypt and Mesoamerica.

Like other moundbuilder myths, they posit that the American Indians were too uncivilized and unable to develop cities and the technology necessary for building these mounds.

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Re: Great announcement for Native Americans
5/31/2009 11:31:21 PM
HI Phil,

I am so pleased that you droping in to leave a beautiful prayer, and some Native love. I love the prayer it is so heart warming.

I thought I would share a little about the big event that is recorded in my home town of Waynesboro, Pa I Googled  it and found more in an Realtor ad then factual. Here is how history claims it:

The bustling Waynesboro area of today is a far cry from the frontier that greeted John Wallace Sr., its first settler, in 1749. Those who followed his footsteps west dubbed the settlement "Wallace Town," and his son, John Wallace Jr., a Revolutionary War veteran, named it Waynesburg in honor of his commander, General Anthony Wayne, when the town was laid out in 1797. The Pennsylvania Legislature changed the name to Waynesboro in 1831.

The area has been touched by some of the major events in American history. The Renfrew sisters, Sarah and Jane, were slain by hostile Indians as they washed their clothes along the Antietam Creek in 1764 during the French and Indian War. Nearly 100 years later in 1863, Confederate troops twice occupied the town. They moved through Waynesboro after setting fire to Chambersburg and returned for the Battle of Gettysburg. According to legend, Robert E. Lee stopped at the town pump on Center Square to water his horse as the Confederates retreated from Gettysburg.

The Renfrew sisters are memorialized at Renfrew Museum and Park. Not just an historic home with museum displays, Renfrew is the site of a variety of historic, cultural and educational programs, festivals and other special events.

The Renfrew park is about a mile away from my house.  However, I do know the Native Americans were here, we have the arrow heads to prove it.
These look like some my grandfather found.



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Blessings,
Myrna


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Re: Great announcement for Native Americans
6/3/2009 1:47:51 AM
Hi Myrna,

Just heard the news that one of our Long Island Native American tribes the Shinnecock may be federally recognized by next year. It's been an ongoing struggle to get recognized for many years for the tribe. I've went to a number of powwows in Southhampton Long Island when i was younger.

News Article:
http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/saturday/longisland/ny-lisout2912814202may28,0,6825599.story

Tribe Website:
http://www.shinnecocknation.com/
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