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J.v. 153 54 Gorman	Re: REBUILDING LIVES Zechariah 7:9-10 4/23/2008 1:05:04 AM
	Here's something else to consider! As the apostle Paul was giving instructions to Titus! Titus 3:1-7 "Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life." As we examine this passage carefully, we can come to several definate conclusions! The kindness and love of God our Savior toward mankind has already appeared! It is spoken of here as having already happened---in past tense! This kindness and love that comes from God works a righteousness in us that has nothing to do with the works of righteousness that we have done! Notice that inset phrase---"not by works of righteousness that we have done"! Then we have the word "but"! But according to His mercy He saved us! Notice the word "saved" is also past tense! How did He save us? Answer: Through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit whom He poured out on us... Notice the word "poured" is also in past tense, showing that it has already happened. "....the Holy Spirit whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that having been justified [past tense again]...." How are we justified? By the works that we do? Let's continue to read! "that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life." Eternal life is a gift from God! He gave His Son according to John 3:16! If we could earn eternal life in some way, we would have something that we could boast about. Since we can't and the only way we have it is to receive it as a free unmerited gift, we have nothing to boast about except Jesus our Savior who has already paid the price in full! We can't even pick up a small portion of the tab! We belong to Him because He has bought and paid for us and now we owe Him our all! Love and blessings, J.V.
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Thomas 1637 15469 Carlsbad	Re: REBUILDING LIVES Zechariah 7:9-10 4/23/2008 11:53:40 AM
	_{2 Corinthians 5:10- Do you feel confident about standing before the judgment seat of Christ? Why or why not? There are over 110 specific references to the grace of God in the New Testiment and many other times when the concept is alluded to. Grace is a major biblical them. Acts 14:26- What does "the grace of God" mean to you? And Acts 20:24- Why was the message of Jesus called the gospel of God's grace? Works model- Earning our place with God by doing all the right things. Here the standard is perfection. James 2:10- To even fail at one point is to be guilty of all. One sisn would keep one from being saved by works. Galations 5:3- Written to those certain works and making them the standard for salvation. Romans 3:23- Base on works model everyone falls short, and no ne will be right with God. If God made anything less than perfection acceptable, wheredo you think he should draw the line? 95? 90? 80? 65? years. How fair would God be to save the person who made a 65 on the morality scale and condemn the person just a point behind 64? God can have only one performance standard-perfection! Grace model- God giving us salvation as a gift that we have not earned and do not deserve. Here your perfection or performance is not the issue. The issue is what Christ has done. Romans 3:22-25a- "Justified" (declared not guilty) freely by his grace. Romans 4:4-8- Why is a person who comes to Christ totally saved? ( Because the righteousness of Christ is "credited" to his or her account.) Colossians 1:21-23- How does God view a person who has reconciled to him through Christ? Holy, without blemish and free from accusation! Is such a one really without blemish? Why does God view im or her this way? This grace was made available only because Jesus was willing to pay the enormous price that had to be paid for sin. 2 Corinthans 8:9- He became poor for our sakes. Hebrews 2:9- He experianced death for al men. 1 Peter 1:18-19- We are redeemed, not perishable things, but with the precious blood of Christ. 1 John 5:8-10- What does all this mean? God loves us! He loved us so much he sent Jesus to die fo our sins so we might be saved by grace! I also have teachings on salvation and if not by works but by grace or we saved??}
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J.v. 153 54 Gorman	Re: REBUILDING LIVES Zechariah 7:9-10 4/23/2008 1:41:30 PM
	Thomas, you quoted a lot of Scriptures, asked a lot of questions, and gave us a lot to think about! The way I understand the bottom line is that we all have an appointment to one day stand before the judgement seat of Christ! As one scripture states, "It is appointed unto all men once to die and after that, the judgement!" (Paraphrased) The question is, Who is this judge before Whom all men will stand? The answer is, He is the same One Who loved us enough to lay down His life in order that we may be able to share the joy that He had with the Father from eternity past! He has returned to His place with the Father now where He continues to enjoy that perfect relationship that He also wants us to enjoy! The ministry of reconciliation is exactly that! We all know what it means to get a bank statement each month wherein our figures must be reconciled with those of the bank! In the same way, Jesus Christ has come to reconcile us to the Father! It was through Adam that sin entered into the world and it is through Christ that the sin factor has been taken care of! When He went to the cross on our behalf, He took all our sins---past, present, and future---with him and in exchange for our sins, He imputed His righteousness to us! What a deal! (See II Cor. 5:21) What will give me the confidence I need to stand before His seat of judgement? I have confidence that He is good! He is righteous and His righteousness has been applied to me! I have nothing to offer as far as righteousness is concerned, I am totally dependant on Him to furnish what I don't have! That's what it means to be saved by grace, through faith, and that faith is even something that He Himself provides! Faith is only as good as that in which it is placed! If we place our faith in a broken bridge, we could find ourselves at the bottom of some river, but when we travel we put our faith in strong bridges all the time and never give it a second thought! Those of us who have placed our faith in the solid rock of Jesus Christ have nothing to fear! He is the rock of our salvation! He is firm, and sound, and anyone who is in Him has no need to be ashamed! If we have not come to know Him, that's a different story! But to know Him is to love Him! We can't know Him without loving Him! May the God of glory give us peace as we live our lives totally dedicated to Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Who loves us more than we can ever know! J.V.
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Thomas 1637 15469 Carlsbad	Re: REBUILDING LIVES Zechariah 7:9-10 4/23/2008 8:31:04 PM
	_{Who can be completly confident about his or her salvation? Theperson who has accepted God's grace just as these people did in Acts 2. The person who keeps his or her faith in Jesus and never leaves him. Colossians 1:22-23; Hbrews 3:14 Confidence rests on what Jesus has done. If we are responding in faith to him, it is his wok that saves us- not our oun performance. Our performance will vary. His work of salvation never does. He redeems us. HeJustifies us. He reconciles us. We aresecure. And what is the right response to "salvation by grace?" 1 John 3:1- Rejoicing and amazement. 1 Corinthins 15:9-10- Total commitment to Jesus my rabbi. Heres anothr question for you, have you accepted God's grace? and are you saved by his grace?}
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