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Thank You Leslye Miller....No Name No Name?
6/8/2008 3:44:43 AM
From Leslye Miller: Problem


Stop the negative debate with me at the forum this moment. It is obvious you have bad business reputation and no experiences what so ever rather then learning organizational behavior within a business or period, you insist on being a destroyer of a person's personality and individual belief with your negative thoughts, SHUT UP AND LEARN SOMETHING SOMETIMES

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Models of Organizational Behavior

There are four major models or frameworks that organizations operate out of:
  • Autocratic - The basis of this model is power with a managerial orientation of authority. The employees in turn are oriented towards obedience and dependence on the boss. The employee need that is met is subsistence. The performance result is minimal.
  • Custodial - The basis of this model is economic resources with a managerial orientation of money. The employees in turn are oriented towards security and benefits and dependence on the organization. The employee need that is met is security. The performance result is passive cooperation.
  • Supportive - The basis of this model is leadership with a managerial orientation of support. The employees in turn are oriented towards job performance and participation. The employee need that is met is status and recognition. The performance result is awakened drives.
  • Collegial - The basis of this model is partnership with a managerial orientation of teamwork. The employees in turn are oriented towards responsible behavior and self-discipline. The employee need that is met is self-actualization. The performance result is moderate enthusiasm.
Nowhere does this menton anything about friendships.  It seems to be a great catch phrase but do any of the models mention friendships? 

Not to me. 

However the common thread in all the models are employees.  Personally I have not had an employee mentality in a number of years. 

I have been the BOSS throughout most of my carreer.  Perhaps this is the reason for the conflict we seem to be having.

May Wisdom and the knowledge you gained go with you,

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Peter Fogel

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Re: Thank You Leslye Miller.......
6/8/2008 4:04:15 AM

Hi Jim,

Interesting topic and I guess I know what brought this on after reading Leslye"s PM. All I can say is WOW. Where did that come. I guess she has a source of information that I know nothing about??? And I thought I knew everything there is to know about you!!

The different Models of Organizational Behavior are basically for traditional businesses. The term friendship and relationships have been around for a while in regard to Network marketing BUT specifically became the "motto" when web 2.0 became so popular. You must realize that they aren't really teaching much internet marketing in universities yet unless you take specific courses on the subjects.

We are in a web 2.0 community so different rules do apply here then in traditional business even though a business is a business regardless where it is being run. But as I said there are different rules in some cases.

Thanks for starting this discussion & Shalom,


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Georgios Paraskevopoulos

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Re: Thank You Leslye Miller.......
6/8/2008 4:42:36 AM
Hello Jim!

Thank you for opening a discussion on "Models of organization behaviour".

I see you have two parts in your thread. I am not glad seeing this.

The first part, the
Green message shows apathy, arrogance, ignorance, bad thesis to negotiate a problem and the last part of it SHUT UP AND LEARN SOMETHING SOMETIMES, Old schooler with only a purpose to show idiocy* on wisdom and knowledge as a priviledge only few. Nasty behaviour I would say. I am not glad to read the first part of this thread.

I  am more interested in the second part.
In a community you are social, you share your knowledge your wisdom and experience to help others to understand things as you see them and so you build up an opinion. Depending on your qualities and knowledge your opinion could be accepted or decleaned. To make your opinion active you must expose it for a discussion.

Leaders, followers and sheep.

"To me, consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects." -- Margaret Thatcher

Locke gave us the first hint of what knowledge is all about. Since that time, others have tried to refine it. Davenport and Prusak define knowledge as, "a fluid mix of framed experience, contextual information, values and expert insight that provides a framework for evaluating and incorporating new experiences and information."

The points:
Autocratic: It reminds me empire status where the leader commands and the others obay. It is a hierachic procedure in a pyramidal basis.
Custodial: You pay others do the job for you. Managers organize everything and they give reports.
Suportive: A form of controlled decetralization on all levels and community related actions, but still in a hierarchic relation.
Collegial:  It reminds me the teamwork in school, full decentralization where everyone is responsible for his work and he gives the presentation of the work.

I think what we have to discuss is the feelings.
This "mapping" of the body is composed of sensory feelings, called affects that are directly evoked by specific inputs from the internal self and external environment. They include such evaluative experiences as feelings are not neutral, but rather hedonic in that they are either positive or negative, such as pleasantness or unpleasantness.

How do we react.
As we grow older, we move into a new form of social pressure - organizational culture or corporate culture - the collective programming of the mind which distinguishes the members of one organization from another.

Friendship and business.
In life, the friendship is important in and of itself. In deal-making, the relationship takes a back seat to business. So experienced deal-makers are not unduly ruffled by greedy, grabby, pushy, evasive, high-handed, disingenuous or manipulative opponents. Hey, it's just business right? "Let every eye negotiate for itself and trust no agent," as Shakespeare wrote. In reality, however, we would never expect true friends to treat us this way. Should they dare, then business becomes all too personal. Friendship is a tool easier to find business mates and and investors.

Well those were some of my ideas to get involved in this discussion. I will follow the forum and  be in touch.

Happy Week End

*Idiocy. The Greek word, idiocy means to be private. Atheneans who wanted privacy they did not share their knowledge or opinion to anyone and they did not go to the stage to argue, they were enclosed to their own world. They kept everything they knew for themselves. For the Atheneans this ment that the person by being private he was antisocial (unsocial), ignorant because he was far away from daily life and dumb for not having knowledge of what is happening with other words idiot
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Re: Thank You Leslye Miller.......
6/8/2008 8:21:42 AM

Hi Jim,

I have already made a post on the unfortunate situation that ensured in the latest thread in our forum but that should be expected though not to the level of adding personality attack and insults. Like Peter has rightly wrote, Web 2.0 means community network of diverse people, business men and women, fun seekers, students, appretices, experts, academics, spoilers, name it. And so we should be ready for everyone but "different rules do apply here than in traditional business even though a business is a business regardless where it is being run"

Here's an except from my last input posted in my forum in case you have not seen it yet:

Now to Leslye and Jim I say welldone but please do it in a most respectful and responsible manner. Our forum was created with diverse opinion from our over 70,000 members in mind and I want to state that we have gone this far because of the ability of members to shoulder and contain each other's opinion be it for or against a particular topic.

Let me put it straight here that any article that does not present some element of debate and strong views of diverse interest is incomplete and can never elicit the supposed excitement the forum is meant to, but we must guard against our mode of expression.

To Leslye:
If you check Judy's Review, you'll appreciate how interesting and controversial your article is meant to be.
"Leslye is provocative throughout her writing and has created an article that will most definitely provide us with a great amount of conversation.  There are some, even many, among us who will disagree with much of what she has presented.  And, in a community of 60,000 plus, we can be rest assured that there will be others who will agree 100%"
But that is something you should be proud of and brace yourself early enough for different views for or against your expressed opinion. Honestly, I do not agree to all of Jim's views about friendship and business which I'll love to address them in my next post but again if we fail to look at these views objectively and try to marry them to our already-made opinion, we'll miss the main point of learning from one another. I have looked through Jim's posts and wouldn't want you to see his expression as a personal attack but opinion attack which can be sorted out in the spirit and basis of your topic - BE A FRIEND NOT A STRANGER. If you want to achieve this you must develop the thick skin and capacity to withstand criticism, though such critics must as well be healthy. You should also bear in mind that you are the chief moderator of this thread, please try to be as friendly as possible, don't be a stranger! 

To Jim:
 We must do our utmost best to identify and respect the limit we can get to in airing our views offline or online. What I mean is if you observe that the second party is not ready to accept your opinion or views, it does not make much wisdom to force it down his or her throat. In other words discontinuation is the best solution. Having to follow up an unacceptable view is by itself unacceptable and I am sure that is what Geogios and Peter are trying to put through.

Having address this issue I will like to appeal to both of you to cease addressing each other's post for now. Leslye, please kindly address other posts that has nothing to do with Jim's opinion and Jim if you need to add more contribution, please let it be on a different issue altogether.

I wish to express my gratitude to the two of you for your interest and understanding and sincerely believe that very soon you two would turn friends instead of strangers!

Many thanks to you Peter and Georgios for trying to add words of wisdom to the case, I pray we find better ground for healthier friendship.


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Re: Thank You Leslye Miller.......
6/8/2008 6:48:50 PM


I am not doing well on the internet but i am anything but negative.

I try to follow any advice.I hate any negativity.

Thank you all concerned for your great input on this.


regards Bianka


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