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Chaos .... yes governments and countries, our lives are in Chaos.

Mother nature is throwing us many blows, as we have over populated, over used, cut all the trees, we have many disasters going on .. 100,000 people or more dead in Haiti, and other

areas of our little blue world having the same struggles ...

The plague took out about 90% of european populations where it spread, I think we have

more to come than Haiti, India floods and landslides, quakes ...

Hello Linda,

Thanks for contributing here.

Mother nature has been always creating cataclysms and disasters, but there is not much you can do against it. You just can't predict where it will strike next and make sure that you are not there, but I'm more afraid of human created disasters for the sake of accumulating more power and money. All the wars people fight are for those at the top who want to defend their positions and power. Those who endanger their lives for the mighty at the top, still live in misery after the war is finished. Check statistics of homeless people what is their largest group. These are war veterans. Many of them can't live their lives anymore as part of general population. Their mental system can't cope with it anymore.

Accumulation of money and from it power is the ultimate reason of suffering of underdeveloped nations and for slavery of general population in the developed world.

Those at the top don't need world to be developed, but because of greed they unfortunatelly develop it and they have to share their wealth with larger group. To change this situation and eliminate competition, they create depressions or financial crisis every 10, 20 years, so many large competitors can be eliminated. And if this doesn't work, they start the war after creating the reason for doing it and take away what is not theirs.

Bogdan Fiedur

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Thanks for bringing this subject up for discussion. The videos were eye-opening! The depressing thing is that I see no way we can get Congress to abolish the Fed - it's their feeding trough! But there is one thing that we all can do right now, and the idea is not new: Create an underground economy that bypasses money. I did this very recently. I needed a professional website and a new head shot and I bartered both in exchange for my copywriting services. No money changed hands, and everyone got what they needed.

Think about how YOU can barter!

Astrid Harper

Welcome Astrid,

Nice to see you here.
Congress abolishing Fed? Anything is possible, but this won't happen until people take things in their own hands. Remember that this is the Congress which allowed to establish the Fed and one of the congressman's was behind it. The film at the beginning of this thread explains it.

John F. Kennedy who attempted to eliminate Fed has been eliminated himself and soon after that law which was abolishing Fed has been canceled.
Bartering is a good idea, Mennonites and other community groups are doing this for generations. Although this can be helpful, it is not radical enough to make big impact as people for practical reasons won't just do that until they are on their knees.

I heard this other idea which is in my opinion just an illusive attempt to undermine the large banks.
It is called move your money to smaller banks. Unless you owe the bank yourself, this won't make much difference because small banks are dependent on the larger banks, and if they are doing too well, they will be just acquired or eliminated by larger banks in the end.



Bogdan Fiedur

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Hi Bogdan,

Agreement is unconditional.

However I imaginethe real-life difficulty as like being on the bank of a swollen riverwith a raging torrent and a desperate need to get across to the otherside. This is something I cannot do on my own - but I guess I am notalone in this desire.

When others arrive with the same mission wecan agree on the methodology from our vision and mission and risks - toget to the other side.

We cannot pretend that a good-night's sleep will allow us to wake-up and walk on the water to success.

It boils down to "where are we at - where are we going - HOW do we get there?

Aswe are quite involved in Uganda I am reminded of a comment on one ofour sites recently:- " What is Uganda's biggest cash crop?"-Corruption- was a young child's reply in class when asked by theteacher.

I am also reminded ~

“Neverdoubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can changethe world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” - Margaret Mead

Looking forward to viewing all the videos & more.

Peter

Hello Peter,

I like this dialog as it helps us to get to the root of the problem.

I the same as you can see this powerful river with its raging torrent and I'm thinking rather of using its energy as opposed to cross it. By trying to help needy people you are not solving the problem permanently, as continuous flow of your help will be required and will be diluted by those at the top, as you have to go through their channels.

Look this way, whenever you help a needy person in the dictatorial system, you help the dictator in the end, as the needy person now will be able to provide services for the dictator.

As the goal is noble, it is not a permanent solution or possibly not a solution at all, as we know the hunger and misery hasn't been eliminated after so may charitable organizations efforts for so many years. Those organizations are corrupted by money system as anything else.
I was donating to one of them for over 10 years and sponsored two kids, until I have gotten some reports stating that 91% of this organization funds goes for administrative reasons.

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It boils down to "where are we at - where are we going - HOW do we get there?

Very important questions.

'where are we at"

We all agree that after years of supposed growth and development we are poorer as society than we were e.g. 25 year ago. As an example. Average family house in Canada 25 years ago was worth about $60,000, the average salary was $18,000. Today this house is worth $250,000 and the salary is $28,000. Salary went only 30% up, the house 400%. So obviously we are slaves and are getting poorer. The third world is not doing better today than it was 25 years ago.

"where are we going"

We don't like the above situation. It is not improving, in fact is getting worse and the problem of this is monetary system, which has to be eliminated.


'HOW do we get there?

The monetary system is now collapsing, all we need to do is not help with its restoration and recovery. We have to stop cooperating with money cartels and not use their system.

Bogdan Fiedur

Ron Paul's address on financial situation in US.

According to him if situation continues in the current directions, we will face social unrest and financial collapse in US.