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Peter Fogel

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Re: The Truth The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Truth
11/25/2008 3:52:59 AM

Hello Friends,

I want to thank all of you that supported me by posting here, via PMs, emails and others avenues of communication. It is much appreciated.

I see this issue as closed after Sara publicly apologized in this thread.

Once again thank you & Shalom,


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Re: The Truth The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Truth
11/25/2008 8:08:07 AM
Hi Peter,
I am glad to see this issue behind you . I very much admire how you have such a ,"forgiving heart "even though you were wronged. Anyone else might have held a grudge but not you .. what a real man you are !  I am blessed to have you as a friend and I know you will always be there to support me.



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Re: The Truth The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Truth
1/13/2009 1:09:20 PM

Happy 2009 Peter !

Congratulations Person of the Year 2008

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Re: The Truth The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Truth
1/23/2009 2:14:39 PM

Hello Peter ...and Pauline and others

I did not see this thread until today.

It is not my intent to open another can of worms but I cannot help if it does that.

Peter is right in his summation of Sara.  Pauline, you talk about Sara being a friend of yours.  Frankly, I am surprised she has any friends except those who do not know her here from Adland but if she keeps writing her biting emails a few more times, she won't have any friends here either.

A few weeks ago I received a private email from Sara Blow that was not very nice.  She attacked me for posting something she did not like and which was none of her business.  She thought I was posting something political after Billdaddy announced he would not be doing the political forum anymore.

She also said that 'everyone' were sick of me posting my political opinions.

Then she went on about how I should put up my picture so everyone can get
to know me better.  What will a picutre prove?  I know far more from Sara's emails than I do from her picture.

Out of respect for privacy, I will not post her email but here's my reply.....
Keep in mind this was written long before I ran into and read this thread.



If you listened to even 15 minutes of the video I posted,
you would have to be a complete imbecile not to agree
that something needs to be done about governments
stealing our money. 

It is not about politics.  It is about something that you
and everyone should be wanting to do for the future.
This is not about one political party.  I don't remember
a political party being named in the entire video.

I would like to tell you what the video is about but I
cannot put into an email what took the man 2 hours
to say.

The only thing our generation has done is to take, take
and take some more.  We are the most selfish and self
centered group in the history of the world.  We have not
given of our money.  Why, we can't even be bothered
to give enough of our time to send an email, let alone
listen to a video before we jump down someone's throat
'because WE don't like the content' 

It is time we gave back for the sake of our children and
grandchildren whose lives are going to be much harder
than ours because of the mess we left, financially,
environmentally and legally.

Listen to video and then get back to me.

You don't like my emails because I am not of the same
political persuasion that you are, I am guessing.  I had
to put up with emails that I didn't like.  You didn't hear
me grumble.  If you don't like my email, don't read it.

You are offended not because I offended you but because
you allowed yourself to be offended.  I've seen far worse
on these forums than anything I have ever said.

Billdaddy is a grown man and he can speak up for himself.

You are making a big thing out of nothing.

You don't know how many emails I have received privately
many times, thanking me for posting what I did post. What
you wrote is just your opinion and you should speak for
yourself and not the others.   If you are going to be sensitive
about posts others make, then other posts must be bothering
you, too.

If I were sick of reading someone's posts to a forum, I'd
delete it.

If you want to go forward with your other ventures then
by all means go ahead.  Do what you want to do and let
others do what they want to do.

You talk about being 'friends'.  Friends accept each other the
way they are.

Billdaddy can delete my email if he wishes or he can just
ignore it and let others see what it is about. 

I have posted a lot of good articles, videos to the forums
that are helpful to a lot of people, even if not to you.  Is it
up to you what others can see or not see?

I don't have the means to post a picture right now.  I am
just an ordinary older woman who means noone any harm.

May God bless and prosper you in the coming year.


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Re: The Truth The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Truth
1/25/2009 4:04:13 AM

Hello Helen,

As the old saying goes it's better late then never. :)

I find your post most interesting and in the near future I'm planning to start a new thread on this subject.

It never ceases to amaze me that some people consider disagreeing with their view point an attack on them. It seems that there are many that haven't got a clue what a discussion is all about. Imagine how boring it would be if we all agreed all the time. There would be no point to a discussion then if that were the case.

Happily there are still those that are capable and interested in lively discussion topics and in the future that's where you'll find me. The others simply don't interest me anymore.



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